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Re:EU experts to say nuclear power qualifies for green inves... by random_kris on Saturday March 27, 2021 @02:57PM (#26604532)
Yeah but i can imagine as we scale the hall like that will soon be able to contain only 10 years worth of material. Then 1 year etc...
Re:EU experts to say nuclear power qualifies for green inves... by cbmuser on Saturday March 27, 2021 @03:02PM (#26604584)
That single hall is for the _whole_ country for _decades_.

Nuclear is the _only_ technology where the fuel and the waste for decades can be stored on-site. It's just extremely dense.

The Russians have a single hall for all their waste plus the waste of other countries such as Bulgaria or Ukraine:

> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_5uN0bZBOic&t=105s

The US even had a nuclear power plant with full fuel reprocessing on site:

> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Sp1Xja6HlIU

Re:EU experts to say nuclear power qualifies for green inves... by laurent92 on Saturday March 27, 2021 @03:34PM (#26604883)
Just for everyone to have a picture, uranium doesn’t take much room because it is quite heavy: 19.1g/cm3, denser than lead (11.3) but slightly less than gold (19.3) and plutonium (19.8).
Re:EU experts to say nuclear power qualifies for green inves... by fastball on Saturday March 27, 2021 @03:47PM (#26605001)
The density of uranium is secondary to just how unbelievably energetic (per unit mass of fuel) fission is.
Re:EU experts to say nuclear power qualifies for green inves... by loeg on Saturday March 27, 2021 @04:23PM (#26605292)
Energy density is the main reason you don't need much volume of uranium. Fission is just extremely energetic.

That c² factor in E = m c² is huge (9 * 10¹⁶).

It is really hard for humans to intuit about factors of ten to the power of 16 or 17.

Re:EU experts to say nuclear power qualifies for green inves... by Jabbles on Saturday March 27, 2021 @04:32PM (#26605388)
You need to include the units, else that doesn't make much sense - many physicists use units such that c = 1.

In this case the units (for speed²) you want are m²/s² = J/kg

Re:EU experts to say nuclear power qualifies for green inves... by loeg on Saturday March 27, 2021 @04:42PM (#26605477)
The fun thing is, the units are basically unimportant! A factor of 10^3 or two is peanuts on 10^17. Humans have just as terrible intuitions about 10^14 and 10^11 as they do about 10^17.
Re:EU experts to say nuclear power qualifies for green inves... by exporectomy on Saturday March 27, 2021 @09:28PM (#26607231)
The error is 10^17, not 10^3. Units are important.
Re:EU experts to say nuclear power qualifies for green inves... by StreamBright on Saturday March 27, 2021 @04:35PM (#26605414)
Your face when people figure out that burning coal produces 100x amount nuclear waste than an average nuclear power plant.

Your face #2 when people realise that this nuclear waste goes to the environment unfiltered.

https://www.sciencefocus.com/science/do-coal-fired-power-sta...

https://www.scientificamerican.com/article/coal-ash-is-more-...

https://www.epa.gov/radtown/radioactive-wastes-coal-fired-po...

https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.ih.gov/20005612/

Re:EU experts to say nuclear power qualifies for green inves... by random_kris on Sunday March 28, 2021 @02:49AM (#26608523)
When our energy consumption increases by 10000 times where will.we store the waste? I am not against the nuclear, I am for it but I like to ask hard questions
Re:EU experts to say nuclear power qualifies for green inves... by random_kris on Sunday March 28, 2021 @02:49AM (#26608520)
When our energy consumption increases by 10000 times where will.we store the waste? I am not against the nuclear, I am for it but I like to ask hard questions
Re:EU experts to say nuclear power qualifies for green inves... by loeg on Saturday March 27, 2021 @02:59PM (#26604560)
Scale what? France already generates all of its own power requirements and is a net exporter of electricity. They're at 100% scale already.
Re:EU experts to say nuclear power qualifies for green inves... by natmaka on Sunday March 28, 2021 @05:08AM (#26608935)
In 2015, the National Assembly voted that by 2025 only 50% of France's energy will be produced by nuclear plants. Source: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nuclear_power_in_France

The main pertinent local project is an utter disaster, see https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Flamanville_3

Re:EU experts to say nuclear power qualifies for green inves... by flemhans on Sunday March 28, 2021 @12:12AM (#26607882)
We could heat the streets in winter, keep all lights on, mine bitcoin, drive around like crazy due to almost free "fuel".

All possible thanks to Nuclear!

Re:EU experts to say nuclear power qualifies for green inves... by random_kris on Sunday March 28, 2021 @02:50AM (#26608527)
When our energy consumption increases by 10000 times where will.we store the waste? I am not against the nuclear, I am for it but I like to ask hard questions
Re:EU experts to say nuclear power qualifies for green inves... by dtech on Saturday March 27, 2021 @03:59PM (#26605107)
If you scale this up you're also having more Area. If that hall contains all the waste from decades of energy for France, I'm sure we can also build 1 in Germany, Italy, and every US state.
Re:EU experts to say nuclear power qualifies for green inves... by random_kris on Sunday March 28, 2021 @02:50AM (#26608529)
When our energy consumption increases by 10000 times where will.we store the waste? I am not against the nuclear, I am for it but I like to ask hard questions
Re:EU experts to say nuclear power qualifies for green inves... by dtech on Monday March 29, 2021 @06:05AM (#26619531)
That's a nonsensical question, there's not enough nuclear or fossil fuel in the world to increase our energy consumption 100.000x for any significant time period. We'd need to build a dyson sphere.