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Re:Nationwide tells 13,000 staff to 'work anywhere' by TeMPOraL on Thursday March 25, 2021 @05:57AM (#26578238)
> I mean, nobody opens a Zoom call to just chit-chat about mundane stuff. Well, some do but I‘m sick of taking any additional video call beyond the 4h I’m enduring every day.

Some indeed do, but for some reason it requires more effort than meeting physically did. I never did that, but I had co-workers who did it regularly even pre-pandemic.

What more people do, though, is chit-chat about mundane stuff on IMs. Depending on the company, your subordinates may already have their own #random / #offtopic channel. Of course, as a manager, you need to stay away from it and pretend you don't know it exists :).

But I wonder if there's a space for managers to create a second off-topic channel for their team - one that contains the manager as well. Most of the casual talk will of course stay on the original #random (the boss/subordinate separation cannot be bridged, everyone knows it's there even if they pretend it's not), but the #random+boss chat could capture the kind of conversations you'd ordinarily have on the corridor/around the doors to your office. I know I had plenty of semi-casual chats like this IRL with my boss back in my office days, and they were good for morale. I think this concept didn't translate well into pandemic/forced-WFH world.

Of course, if you don't like casual IMing and prefer synchronous communication, then that's not an option for you.

> I can see how this benefits introverts and people with social anxiety, but as for extroverts me, I‘m getting more depressed every day.

I sympathize. I hope this will end soon, and that we all find balance again. Your company may not return to full-office, but when the restrictions end, it'll be easier to see people IRL even if everyone's mostly working from home.

For what's worth, I'm more on the introvert end, and yet I sometimes feel I'm on the verge of losing my mind - we introverts have limits, too, and this pandemic situation is stressing them.

Re:Nationwide tells 13,000 staff to 'work anywhere' by nicoburns on Thursday March 25, 2021 @06:58AM (#26578648)
> What more people do, though, is chit-chat about mundane stuff on IMs. Depending on the company, your subordinates may already have their own #random / #offtopic channel. Of course, as a manager, you need to stay away from it and pretend you don't know it exists :).

Why is that? At all the companies I have worked at the managers would join in with these kind of things same as everyone else (not all of them, but then not of all the ICs were interested either).

Re:Nationwide tells 13,000 staff to 'work anywhere' by TeMPOraL on Thursday March 25, 2021 @07:14AM (#26578770)
You're asking that as a manager or employee? If the former, I suspect there were channels you didn't know about. If the latter, I don't know - but maybe they were channels you didn't know about :).

But the reason is, these chats are for conversations you won't feel comfortable having with your boss around. Cat pictures, stupid jokes, random topics. Even if people felt comfortable with such topics around their manager, they might still be worried that the volume of communications will be seen by the manager as evidence that people are slacking off.

Re:Nationwide tells 13,000 staff to 'work anywhere' by UncleMeat on Thursday March 25, 2021 @08:24AM (#26579346)
There's pros and cons. But I've seen it be useful for teams to have a "manager-free" space where they can shoot the breeze and complain about stuff without feeling like they are being watched or judged or that their complaints will be taken too urgently.
Re:Nationwide tells 13,000 staff to 'work anywhere' by nicoburns on Thursday March 25, 2021 @09:44AM (#26580172)
> without feeling like they are being watched or judged or that their complaints will be taken too urgently.

I guess my feeling is that if your manager is doing that then they aren't a good manager (of course there are plenty of not-good managers, but it's not part and parcel of being a manager)