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Re:Why the Wuhan lab leak theory shouldn't be dismissed by m0llusk on Monday March 22, 2021 @06:57PM (#26548556)
You should look up some of the leaked videos on the Internet. There was in fact a huge spike in cases early on and people were dropping dead in the street. That was the freak out that led to the Communist Party not being able to keep a lid on the whole mess. It wasn't just sick people showing up in hospitals in huge numbers, it was dead bodies lying in the streets.

The thing is that whether this came from a lab or not is of limited relevance. Viruses have been hopping from animal hosts from humans for a while and if anything this one was late and long expected. Either way the kind of preparations we need to make for future events are the same.

Re:Why the Wuhan lab leak theory shouldn't be dismissed by IAmGraydon on Monday March 22, 2021 @07:29PM (#26548899)
>You should look up some of the leaked videos on the Internet. There was in fact a huge spike in cases early on and people were dropping dead in the street.

Which is also weird because we all know Covid doesn't make people suddenly drop dead in the street.

Re:Why the Wuhan lab leak theory shouldn't be dismissed by TremendousJudge on Monday March 22, 2021 @08:19PM (#26549327)
>Covid doesn't make people suddenly drop dead in the street

They do if they don't get treatment. Usual course for deadly covid is, high fevers, feeling terrible, then there's an improvement in symptoms for a couple of days, then blood oxygen levels drop and the person drops dead

Re:Why the Wuhan lab leak theory shouldn't be dismissed by mardifoufs on Monday March 22, 2021 @09:59PM (#26550109)
Any source on that? Genuinely curious as I seem to have completely forgotten about the early videos from china until now and what they pictured was very at odds with what we now know the virus can do.

Wouldn't everything you described happen gradually? as in people wouldn't be able to walk normally before reaching the point where they drop dead from oxygen levels low enough to be immediately lethal? From my own experience and based on what I've read, covid can cause a quick deterioration in respiratory function but across at least hours or days.

The videos also pictured people that weren't really showing any trouble breathing, it felt more like the plague than any respiratory illness. But maybe the videos were meant as "PSA's" for local consumption to get people to treat the disease more seriously? Because they were really over the top

Re:Why the Wuhan lab leak theory shouldn't be dismissed by kube-system on Monday March 22, 2021 @10:26PM (#26550303)
I haven't seen any videos, but you wouldn't necessarily have to have people "walking" in the streets to have people dying in the streets. Major cities often have plenty of people who are sitting or standing in the street all day long.
Re:Why the Wuhan lab leak theory shouldn't be dismissed by mardifoufs on Tuesday March 23, 2021 @01:17AM (#26551370)
Yeah I'll need to check again but I seem to remember a video where elderly people were literally dropping dead "casually"? Weird how I seem to have memory holed myself lol.
Re:Why the Wuhan lab leak theory shouldn't be dismissed by IAmGraydon on Thursday March 25, 2021 @07:33PM (#26586998)
This is correct. There were videos of people walking around in the streets and then just suddenly falling over dead.
Re:Why the Wuhan lab leak theory shouldn't be dismissed by refenestrator on Monday March 22, 2021 @07:53PM (#26549124)
People anthropomorphize the CCP far too much. It's 100 million people.

What happened politically should be straightforward to anyone who's worked in a corporation: Wuhan mayor and Hubei governor tried to keep a lid on it, counterproductively, so their reports upstairs wouldn't look bad. They couldn't, higher authorities noticed, blew up the visibility on it, instituted nationwide programs to counter it, and fired the afore-mentioned mayor and governor.

Re:Why the Wuhan lab leak theory shouldn't be dismissed by themacguffinman on Tuesday March 23, 2021 @01:42AM (#26551505)
> The thing is that whether this came from a lab or not is of limited relevance.

It has plenty of relevance. If lab leaks are the source of the virus, any serious solution will need to include improvements to lab containment and practices. Knowing what happened in a hypothetical lab leak could also help identify the original animal to study. Understanding how viruses hop & adapt from animal hosts to humans begins by studying specific cases of it.

For example, past US lab virus leaks including SARS have led the Obama administration to temporarily suspend and investigate the risks of Gain of Function research in 2014. At least one of the Wuhan labs were conducting Gain of Function research at the time of the outbreak.

Re:Why the Wuhan lab leak theory shouldn't be dismissed by ryanSrich on Monday March 22, 2021 @07:00PM (#26548587)
> There was in fact a huge spike in cases early on and people were dropping dead in the street

Wasn't this happening well after they knew the virus existed? From my understanding, they knew the virus existed very early on. Much early than when people were dropping dead in the streets or getting dragged out of their apartments.

Re:Why the Wuhan lab leak theory shouldn't be dismissed by aluminussoma on Tuesday March 23, 2021 @03:30AM (#26552077)
> it was dead bodies lying in the streets

I remember seeing these videos in January 2020 at the beginning of the pandemic. Young, healthy-looking people, too. I'm very surprised that there were not similar instances outside of China.

Re:Why the Wuhan lab leak theory shouldn't be dismissed by foxhop on Monday March 22, 2021 @07:54PM (#26549137)
It matters a real lot if it came from a lab.