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Re:Richard Stallman is coming back to the board of the FSF by boomboomsubban on Sunday March 21, 2021 @10:17PM (#26536160)
I don't get this. "You should abandon any other ideals you have when working for our ideological project."
Re:Richard Stallman is coming back to the board of the FSF by themacguffinman on Sunday March 21, 2021 @10:57PM (#26536404)
The point of an ideological project (or any project, really) is to try and get everyone pulling in the same direction. GNU/FSF is an organization for one specific ideal: free software. It's not intended as a vehicle for any random ideal people care about.
Re:Richard Stallman is coming back to the board of the FSF by boomboomsubban on Sunday March 21, 2021 @11:50PM (#26536664)
>It's not intended as a vehicle for any random ideal people care about.

Who used it like that? Stallman's comments happened outside the organization, the tweet was from someone I think unrelated to the project. I can understand keeping other ideals out of the project, but in context you're telling people not to express other ideals.

Re:Richard Stallman is coming back to the board of the FSF by themacguffinman on Monday March 22, 2021 @05:21AM (#26538459)
> the tweet was from someone I think unrelated to the project

Seems fine for unrelated Twitter randos to say whatever they want about RMS, but would be distracting and counterproductive for GNU/FSF to permanently ban RMS in support of Twitter randos' unrelated ideals. I never said or implied anything about stopping Twitter randos from expressing or doing whatever they want.

Re:Richard Stallman is coming back to the board of the FSF by boomboomsubban on Monday March 22, 2021 @06:00AM (#26538719)
I was asking you who used it as a vehicle... as the two people directly being discussed had not. I did not think you were trying to stop random people on twitter.

I think you're answering that GNU/FSF used it improperly but am not certain.

Re:Richard Stallman is coming back to the board of the FSF by themacguffinman on Monday March 22, 2021 @06:27AM (#26538881)
Yes, the people working for GNU/FSF started using GNU/FSF to punish RMS in support of other ideals. Twitter randos may have talked about it but it's up to the GNU/FSF to focus & act on it.
Re:Richard Stallman is coming back to the board of the FSF by RangerNS on Monday March 22, 2021 @10:55PM (#26550487)
... in the name of the organization.

And RMS's "pleasure cards" listing his office address and organizational email certainly indicate that his private activities are the organizations activities.

Re:Richard Stallman is coming back to the board of the FSF by boomboomsubban on Tuesday March 23, 2021 @12:08AM (#26550989)
Yes, he should have been reprimanded for using the organization's name to make a bad joke seemingly decades ago.
Re:Richard Stallman is coming back to the board of the FSF by zajio1am on Sunday March 21, 2021 @11:27PM (#26536547)
Basic compartmentalization. If i have ideological goals A, B, C, then i can work on goal A with people who are indifferent or against B, C, and also work on goal B with people who are indifferent or against A, C, instead of trying to find people in intersection of A, B, C.
Re:Richard Stallman is coming back to the board of the FSF by kaba0 on Monday March 22, 2021 @08:42AM (#26539993)
I doubt people can compartmentalize things that are in vehement disagreement with their core values.

Would Stallman work on implementing a DRM?

And not in this case, but what about someone denying the other’s existence? Actively supporting groups that work on restricting someone’s basic rights? (Mozilla with Eich)

Re:Richard Stallman is coming back to the board of the FSF by zajio1am on Monday March 22, 2021 @10:25AM (#26541256)
> Would Stallman work on implementing a DRM?

It is a big difference working on A with people i disagree about B, and actively working against one's values. I can work with non-vegetarians on software, but i would not work in slaughterhouse.

> And not in this case, but what about someone denying the other’s existence?

As an LGBT person (and pro same-sex marriage), i think that mixing up 'being against same-sex marriage' and 'denying the other’s existence' is just horrible rhetorical device, fear-mongering about opponent's position.