Re:Tesla's “full self driving” beta is potentially dangerous
by rainyMammoth on Friday March 19, 2021 @09:09PM
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They definitely are not. Anyone working in this industry overwhelmingly agrees that Tesla is far behind the well established self-driving car companies (Waymo, Cruise, ...) mainly because they continue to rely on cameras only (and not lidars)
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Re:Tesla's “full self driving” beta is potentially dangerous
by Geee on Friday March 19, 2021 @10:09PM
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What are you talking about? Autonomity with vision only is way more advanced. Lidars are useless when vision is solved.
Re:Tesla's “full self driving” beta is potentially dangerous
by xvector on Saturday March 20, 2021 @12:07AM
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Solving vision is an incredibly difficult problem that is made harder by the lack of stereoscopic cameras. There is fundamentally no need to rely on vision alone other than bragging rights. It provides almost no practical benefit.
Re:Tesla's “full self driving” beta is potentially dangerous
by rainyMammoth on Saturday March 20, 2021 @12:43AM
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I think (and hope?) that the parent comment was sarcastic.
Re:Tesla's “full self driving” beta is potentially dangerous
by camjohnson26 on Saturday March 20, 2021 @02:25AM
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It’s a common talking point, I doubt that comment was sarcastic. Musk has said that he thinks Lidar is useless because humans operate vehicles with just vision, which of course is an unfair comparison since humans have intelligence to help them.
Re:Tesla's “full self driving” beta is potentially dangerous
by pclmulqdq on Saturday March 20, 2021 @10:02AM
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This has always been a ridiculous argument. Human eyes have a much higher contrast ratio than commercial cameras, and have built-in stereoscopic capabilities with some degree of rangefinding thanks to the fact that they are quickly adjustable. Normal cameras have none of that.
Re:Tesla's “full self driving” beta is potentially dangerous
by Geee on Saturday March 20, 2021 @09:51AM
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It was not sarcastic. I'm not really sure what you're arguing. It's obvious that vision-only would be more advanced than using lidars. Lidars are expensive and take space, so that's why they're trying to use cameras only.
Re:Tesla's “full self driving” beta is potentially dangerous
by Schwolop on Sunday March 21, 2021 @07:03PM
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And it's quite obvious that there are at least some situations in which vision will not work whatsoever - e.g. dense fog. I personally would quite like my autonomous vehicle to operate happily through dense fog. If you're happy to pull over to the side of the road and wait it out, be my guest.
Having multiple orthogonal subsets of the electromagnetic spectrum at your disposal provides redundancy and diversity - two features that simply CANNOT be accommodated with a single class of sensor, not matter how advanced it may be.
Re:Tesla's “full self driving” beta is potentially dangerous
by Geee on Monday March 22, 2021 @09:45PM
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Yeah, that's true. Teslas have a front-facing long range radar and multiple ultrasonic sensors around the car for close range detection. Like most modern cars. But they are there just to avoid hitting anything, but can't be used alone for driving autonomously.