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Re:Tesla's “full self driving” beta is potentially dangerous by simonh on Friday March 19, 2021 @08:25PM (#26519571)
Musk has clearly been way off base with self driving, and Tesla’s manufacturing is nowhere near where he said it would be by now. However with SpaceX it seems like he really it directly in charge of engineering. It was him pushing the booster recovery program and leading it technically. Yes of course it took a fantastic team to get it to work but I honestly believe there’s no way they’d have got there without him first relentlessly trying out every technical workaround got every problem for years, and second being willing to throw massive resources at it. I can’t see Shotwell doing any of that. She’s great, but she’s the one that makes it a viable company, not a red hot innovator.
Re:Tesla's “full self driving” beta is potentially dangerous by api on Friday March 19, 2021 @08:50PM (#26519739)
I love SpaceX, but I don't find them quite as miraculously impressive as some people. SpaceX is "just" doing what NASA did in their glory days: rapidly iterating, innovating, and then carrying those innovations all the way through to real world flight. That last part is key. In industry we call that "shipping."

NASA didn't stop innovating per se. In the 1980s and 1990s they worked out their own version of vertical take-off and landing and actually test flew it:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wv9n9Casp1o

Linear aerospike engines are pretty neat too:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FcW9kUUTfxY

Problem is absolutely none of this stuff ever got close to operational. It kept getting cancelled in the prototype stage.

If the DC-X had been developed into a fully reusable first stage, we'd have had something like Falcon 9 by the year 2000 and might be on Mars by now.

Re:Tesla's “full self driving” beta is potentially dangerous by bumbada on Friday March 19, 2021 @09:58PM (#26520105)
What you don't say is that NASA was uber expensive in their innovation, with things like not using common CPUs because they were not well tested. And nobody takes risks there anymore.

The difference between SpaceX and NASA is mainly that SpaceX cares about cost.

Or we can say that NASA has incentives to absurdly increase cost, like any bureaucracy.

There is no way the DC-X could have been developed without increasing enormously the budget (and taxes from Americans). That was the reason it was not done.

Re:Tesla's “full self driving” beta is potentially dangerous by orbital-decay on Saturday March 20, 2021 @06:53PM (#26526672)
Re:Tesla's “full self driving” beta is potentially dangerous by nickik on Friday March 19, 2021 @11:26PM (#26520577)
DC-X was nowhere near to being a reusable first stage. The X-33 was a suborbital prototype.

And innovation when you have many, many billions is one thing, if you have to operate in a commercial market but still find a way to innovate at that level its quite amazing.

I have issues with how Musk communicates, but fundamentally I think Tesla is innovating as much as SpaceX. Many here and me have lots of issues in how Self-Driving is developed, but fundamentally its the right concept.

What Tesla is doing with batteries is quite amazing. I have over the last 2 years spent a lot of time understanding the battery industry and what Tesla is doing is actually incredibly impressive. People mostly don't understand that because battery and battery production is far more obscure as topic.

However whatever else you can say about Elon, he is committed to the projects that he is committed too.

SpaceX will not give up on Starship, or at most replace it with a changed design that tries to solve the same problem. Tesla will not stop trying to push down the price of battery, they are comited to it and are willing to go all the way to vertically integrate mining if that what it takes. Tesla will not stop developing Self-Driving, they will push forward and invest as much as they need to invest.

I do wish the Communication around the Self-Driving technology would change. They should have just called it 'Co-Pilot' and sold a 'Advanced Co-Pilot' and say they are working on 'Self-Driving' but it not a product (yet). Stop promising it will come so soon, and I not sure about how I feel about letting Beta testers put up videos.

Re:Tesla's “full self driving” beta is potentially dangerous by axlee on Friday March 19, 2021 @08:45PM (#26519706)
> It was him pushing the booster recovery program and leading it technically.

In which way did he lead the program technically?

Re:Tesla's “full self driving” beta is potentially dangerous by Geee on Friday March 19, 2021 @09:29PM (#26519955)
Sandy Munro was invited to SpaceX design review session, so he has some first-hand comments about that on this video (@6:17): https://youtu.be/S1nc_chrNQk?t=377