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Re:Ghana will no longer sell cocoa to Switzerland by oblio on Friday March 19, 2021 @06:49PM (#26518970)
The starting point for the US states is/was much closer than that of random countries around the world, to each other.

US states, despite what Americans tell themselves, are culturally/socially/economically a lot more homogeneous than random countries around the world are to each other.

And US states are all protected by the same federal government. None of them can really be abused by outside forces with little/no repercussion.

They really can't be compared (US states vs countries around the world).

Re:Ghana will no longer sell cocoa to Switzerland by WalterBright on Friday March 19, 2021 @08:33PM (#26519636)
The original 13 colonies were pretty diverse. For example, some of them had slave economies and some didn't. That's a huge difference. Even today, some states are much larger than others, some are very populous compared to others, some are resource intensive others are manufacturing intensive, different ethnicity populations, etc. Their economies are diverse.

> They really can't be compared

Sure they can. They show that a diverse set of "countries" with no trade barriers results in mutual prosperity. It's one of the great ideas of the United States.

Re:Ghana will no longer sell cocoa to Switzerland by oblio on Saturday March 20, 2021 @03:58AM (#26521523)
You sidestep the security aspect.

Plenty of nations around the world are bullied. The US and the banana republics (which sounds a lot like arrogant victim blaming from the Americans!), Eastern Europe and Russia/the Soviets, Afghanistan and everyone, etc.

US states don't have that problem. When was the last time Idaho had to defend itself from foreign interference, invasion, trade embargoes, etc?

Re:Ghana will no longer sell cocoa to Switzerland by WalterBright on Saturday March 20, 2021 @05:58AM (#26521924)
I infer then you agree that free trade does not convert countries into colonies.
Re:Ghana will no longer sell cocoa to Switzerland by oblio on Saturday March 20, 2021 @08:42AM (#26522795)
Free trade rarely is as free as in theory, was my point.

Regarding US states, and though I absolutely abhor playing devil's advocate on this one, the Northern states did force the Southern ones to give up their economic model at gun point.

Free trade, right? :-)

Re:Ghana will no longer sell cocoa to Switzerland by WalterBright on Saturday March 20, 2021 @03:39PM (#26525559)
Still didn't turn them into colonies, despite free interstate trade.

Your thesis was free trade turns countries into colonies. It clearly doesn't. It's other things that turn countries into colonies.

Re:Ghana will no longer sell cocoa to Switzerland by modo_mario on Monday March 22, 2021 @06:07AM (#26538759)
Not the previous commenter but do you recognise that these things can hamper local economies?

https://www.euractiv.com/section/trade-society/opinion/eu-fr...

Similarly to how Vietnams economy is hampered if it gets exposed to more mature parts and electronics industries from let's say Germany leaving only it's mature low skill industries sustainable trough low wages I can see the same in the west

I live in a western country and i enjoy relatively free trade with the US but I don't expect my country or surrounding ones to produce a software giant because I expect them to be stomped in the ground by existing duopolies or simply bought out. I don't expect something to join the competition between intel amd anywhere in a free trading world and potentially drive consumer prices down more because they'll perpetuate their copyrights and IP with well timed adjustments till the sun goes dark, etc