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Re:Ghana will no longer sell cocoa to Switzerland by throwaway210222 on Friday March 19, 2021 @08:25AM (#26512458)
"I often hear this [phrasing] in the 'first world' and surely you don't 'allow' or 'disallow' internal policies to an sovereign nation?"

Forget about the third-world, right now the USA is not-allowing Germany the right to build a pipeline with Russia!

First-world - check, sovereign - check, allies - check.

Re:Ghana will no longer sell cocoa to Switzerland by dahfizz on Friday March 19, 2021 @09:01AM (#26512777)
> the USA is not-allowing Germany the right to build a pipeline with Russia!

The USA is threatening trade sanctions if Germany builds the pipeline. I would not call that "not-allowing".

That seems to be OP's whole point. The US is responding as a sovereign nation to actions of other sovereign nations. Phraseology like "allow" and "disallow" are not accurate. If Germany does the cost-benefit analysis and decides to cancel the pipeline because they don't want trade sanctions, that was their decision as an independent nation. It is not as if we are threatening war.

Re:Ghana will no longer sell cocoa to Switzerland by DiogenesKynikos on Friday March 19, 2021 @09:32AM (#26513084)
The US is exploiting its centrality in the international financial system, though. No other country uses secondary sanctions so extensively to dictate to other countries who they may and may not trade with.

When the US pulled out of the Iran nuclear deal, for example, it essentially ordered European companies not to trade with Iran. Even European companies that have no business in the US are afraid to do business with Iran, because American secondary sanctions will still hit them. No European bank will lend to a European company that does business with Iran, out of fear of American sanctions.

These sorts of actions will eventually provoke a reaction: either the establishment of alternate financial systems or retaliatory sanctions.

Re:Ghana will no longer sell cocoa to Switzerland by ClumsyPilot on Friday March 19, 2021 @10:35AM (#26513803)
The law is threatening fines if you exceed the speed limit. By that logic.

Are allowed to break the law? Are you not?

Re:Ghana will no longer sell cocoa to Switzerland by rsj_hn on Friday March 19, 2021 @05:29PM (#26518300)
There is no right to trade with the US, or with anyone else.

If the US wants to impose a tariff to nations that do X, that does not mean that the US is forcing these nations to do anything. They can pay the tarrif, change their behavior, or sell their goods elsewhere. Or they can charge a counter-tarrif -- oops, not if they are an export-dependent economy they can't. That's the crux of the issue.

Germany needs to pay their own workers enough so the German economy is not dependent on exporting a 1/3 of their GDP each year just to maintain domestic employment.

Obviously when you create an economy that crashes the moment others stop letting you run massive trade surpluses, then you are effectively handing your sovereignty over to your trading partners.

Whining about that and blaming your trading partners for using the power Germany has given them seems a bit naive.

Germany will never be sovereign as long as it is an export-dependent economy.

Re:Ghana will no longer sell cocoa to Switzerland by dahfizz on Friday March 19, 2021 @12:25PM (#26515228)
My landlord raised my rent this year. Are they not allowing me to live in my apartment?
Re:Ghana will no longer sell cocoa to Switzerland by ClumsyPilot on Friday March 19, 2021 @12:48PM (#26515544)
Are you with a straight face equating consequences of breaking the law (fines and jailtime) with paying rent?
Re:Ghana will no longer sell cocoa to Switzerland by dahfizz on Friday March 19, 2021 @01:11PM (#26515805)
No, I'm making it obvious that collecting fees does not constitute forcing someone to do something.
Re:Ghana will no longer sell cocoa to Switzerland by nytgop77 on Friday March 19, 2021 @06:52PM (#26518983)
stop dating this girl or i will raise the rent x10. my english is not that good, but 'forcing' does not seem far.. maybe 'coercing' fits better, but the idea is very similar, make somebody do stuff against their will.
Re:Ghana will no longer sell cocoa to Switzerland by dane-pgp on Friday March 19, 2021 @12:55PM (#26515645)
You're not allowed to break the speed limit even if you pay the fine. You are allowed to live in your apartment if you pay the demanded rent.
Re:Ghana will no longer sell cocoa to Switzerland by dahfizz on Friday March 19, 2021 @01:23PM (#26515938)
> You are allowed to live in your apartment if you pay the demanded rent.

ding ding ding. Germany is allowed to build whatever pipelines they want, they just also might have to pay US trade sanctions. Without a threat of force, we are not forcing them to do anything.

Re:Ghana will no longer sell cocoa to Switzerland by ClumsyPilot on Friday March 19, 2021 @07:41PM (#26519278)
that sentense doesn't even make sence, you don't 'pay' senctions
Re:Ghana will no longer sell cocoa to Switzerland by throwaway210222 on Friday March 19, 2021 @09:21AM (#26512964)
Nonsense. The USA would not have gone to all the trouble to pass legislation to sanction Nordstream2 if they didn't think it would be effective.

The USA didn't just do it to voice their displeasure: they could have done that with an email.

They truly think its enough of a hammer to stop the pipeline.

Hence "won't allow"