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Re:GitHub, fuck your name change by emteycz on Wednesday March 17, 2021 @05:16AM (#26488396)
True, it generated awareness - but also hate, possibly much more than not.
Re:GitHub, fuck your name change by bregma on Wednesday March 17, 2021 @06:49AM (#26489181)
It doesn't generate hate. The hate was already there. It just reveals it.
Re:GitHub, fuck your name change by bzbarsky on Wednesday March 17, 2021 @10:24AM (#26491652)
The hate I've seen generated by ham-handed thought-and-speech policing is hate against the people doing the policing and hate against people standing up against the policing, not hate against the people the policing is ostensibly protecting.

So no, it's not revealing existing hate. It's actively generating new hate.

Re:GitHub, fuck your name change by bregma on Wednesday March 17, 2021 @01:57PM (#26494702)
The hate against the people "doing the policing" and the hate against the "people standing up to the policy" were already there. Hate doesn't spring parthenogenically from the void, it has to be seeded and nurtured and cultivated and be vomited out only when the time is right.

Voicing a disagreement does not require or beget hate.

Re:GitHub, fuck your name change by bzbarsky on Thursday March 18, 2021 @11:46AM (#26503871)
> were already there

I really don't think so. Most obviously because those two groups did not even exist as entities most people were conscious of until recently.

> Hate doesn't spring parthenogenically from the void

Of course not. But it sure can be seeded and nurtured, as you note, by actions people take. And far too many people have been taking various actions that look to me as if they are designed, intentionally or not, to seed and nurture hate. And fear, for that matter. Which are not unrelated things: hate and fear are deeply intertwined and beget each other.

> Voicing a disagreement does not require or beget hate.

That is most certainly true. At the same time, a disagreement _can_ be voiced in a way that begets hate, and all too often is (e.g. via attacking the person, not the idea). And suppressing disagreement can absolutely beget hate. I feel like both are on the rise, unfortunately.

Re:GitHub, fuck your name change by XorNot on Wednesday March 17, 2021 @05:27AM (#26488519)
If someone decided they don't care about bias in the tech sector because the default git branch name was changed, they weren't going to and didn't care to start with.
Re:GitHub, fuck your name change by gopiandcode on Wednesday March 17, 2021 @05:36AM (#26488624)
This feels like a strawman - the issue isn't people deciding they don't care about bias because of this change, but rather that if tech companies are bending over so much as to make such an insignificant change to avoid seeming biased against minorities then how could bias in the tech industry exist at all?
Re:GitHub, fuck your name change by read_if_gay_ on Wednesday March 17, 2021 @05:47AM (#26488730)
Also, this kind of change might increase cynicism.
Re:GitHub, fuck your name change by cforrester on Wednesday March 17, 2021 @03:59PM (#26496109)
I'm confused by this question, aren't you essentially asking, "how can a problem exist if some people are presently taking actions that try to mitigate that problem?"
Re:GitHub, fuck your name change by emteycz on Thursday March 18, 2021 @05:22AM (#26500871)
No, they're asking "what even is the problem if the solution is this?"
Re:GitHub, fuck your name change by morlockabove on Wednesday March 17, 2021 @05:55AM (#26488786)
I wonder how many friends that attitude will win you.