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Re:Emacs-ng: Emacs with Deno runtime and TypeScript by eddieh on Monday March 15, 2021 @09:44PM (#26471904)
This got me curious about other Scheme implementations.

Chicken compiles to C

    $ csc fib.scm
    $ time ./fib

    real 0m8.461s
    user 0m8.383s
    sys  0m0.061s
Racket has a modern JIT

    $ cat fib.rkt 
    #lang racket
    (define (fibonacci n)
      (if (<= n 1)
          n
          (+ (fibonacci (- n 1)) (fibonacci (- n 2)))))
    (fibonacci 40)
    $ time racket fib.rkt
    102334155

    real 0m1.396s
    user 0m1.142s
    sys  0m0.127s
For reference

    $ sysctl -a | grep .brand_string
    machdep.cpu.brand_string: Intel(R) Core(TM) i9-8950HK CPU @ 2.90GHz
Re:Emacs-ng: Emacs with Deno runtime and TypeScript by taeric on Monday March 15, 2021 @10:39PM (#26472254)
This got me interested in other lisps, as well. Looks like sbcl gives (time (fib 40)) to be about 1.7 seconds on my machine. (Ryzen 5 3600x.)

For lulz, I clocked a dumb loop version.

    (defun fib (n)
        (loop repeat n
              for a = 1 then b
              for b = 1 then c
              for c = (+ a b)
              finally (return a)))
And... well, serves as an amusing reminder that tree recursion has its downsides. :D

Edit: I confess the speed of the loop got me curious and.... javascript has numeric overflow. That would be a hell of a surprise if you weren't expecting it.

Edit2: (I realize overflow isn't the right term, but it is amusing that I can calc the 10000th fib in elisp... not so much in javascript. And yes, even elisp falls over sooner than sbcl does.)

Re:Emacs-ng: Emacs with Deno runtime and TypeScript by anthk on Tuesday March 16, 2021 @04:42AM (#26474287)
>And... well, serves as an amusing reminder that tree recursion has its downsides. :D

OFC I would rewrite that as a iterative form (and any Schemer here could :D), but here we are testing performance :D.

Re:Emacs-ng: Emacs with Deno runtime and TypeScript by taeric on Tuesday March 16, 2021 @10:10AM (#26476867)
Agreed. I didn't mean that necessarily as a criticism of anything. Just hard to have an intuition for just how much it slows down.

I suppose there is a bit of something in there about using the right algorithm. But I can understand picking one that will take time for comparing speed. I'm not sure either is really representative of work you expect an editor to do, though. Curse of benchmarks.

Re:Emacs-ng: Emacs with Deno runtime and TypeScript by vitus on Tuesday March 16, 2021 @04:56PM (#26482852)
The speed of the naive recursive fib scales with the number it computes, which is roughly 1.6 ^ n (the eigenvalue of the matrix for the recurrence relation is the golden ratio, phi).

Intuition: if you were to expand and flatten the recursive calls, you'd end up with something like

(+ 1 0 1 1 0 1 1 0 ... 1 0)

with exactly (fib n) 1s (base case (fib 1)), and no more than (fib n) 0s (base case (fib 0)).

Simple example:

     (fib 3)
     = (+ (fib 2) (fib 1))
     = (+ (+ (fib 1) (fib 0)) 1)
     = (+ (+ 1 0) 1)
     = (+ 1 0 1)
Re:Emacs-ng: Emacs with Deno runtime and TypeScript by anthk on Wednesday March 17, 2021 @08:20AM (#26490038)

  With scm, using (trace proc):
 
 scm -f fib.scm
 
 call fib 9
    call fib 8
      call fib 7
        call fib 6
          call fib 5
          retn fib 5
          call fib 4
          retn fib 3
        retn fib 8
        call fib 5
          call fib 4
          retn fib 3
          call fib 3
          retn fib 2
        retn fib 5
      retn fib 13
      call fib 6
        call fib 5
          call fib 4
          retn fib 3
          call fib 3
          retn fib 2
        retn fib 5
        call fib 4
          call fib 3
          retn fib 2
          call fib 2
          retn fib 1
        retn fib 3
      retn fib 8
    retn fib 21
    call fib 7
      call fib 6
        call fib 5
          call fib 4
          retn fib 3
          call fib 3
          retn fib 2
        retn fib 5
        call fib 4
          call fib 3
          retn fib 2
          call fib 2
          retn fib 1
        retn fib 3
      retn fib 8
      call fib 5
        call fib 4
          call fib 3
          retn fib 2
          call fib 2
          retn fib 1
        retn fib 3
        call fib 3
          call fib 2
          retn fib 1
          call fib 1
          retn fib 1
        retn fib 2
      retn fib 5
    retn fib 13
  retn fib 34
  call fib 8
    call fib 7
      call fib 6
        call fib 5
          call fib 4
          retn fib 3
          call fib 3
          retn fib 2
        retn fib 5
        call fib 4
          call fib 3
          retn fib 2
          call fib 2
          retn fib 1
        retn fib 3
      retn fib 8
      call fib 5
        call fib 4
          call fib 3
          retn fib 2
          call fib 2
          retn fib 1
        retn fib 3
        call fib 3
          call fib 2
          retn fib 1
          call fib 1
          retn fib 1
        retn fib 2
      retn fib 5
    retn fib 13
    call fib 6
      call fib 5
        call fib 4
          call fib 3
          retn fib 2
          call fib 2
          retn fib 1
        retn fib 3
        call fib 3
          call fib 2
          retn fib 1
          call fib 1
          retn fib 1
        retn fib 2
      retn fib 5
      call fib 4
        call fib 3
          call fib 2
          retn fib 1
          call fib 1
          retn fib 1
        retn fib 2
        call fib 2
          call fib 1
          retn fib 1
          call fib 0
          retn fib 0
        retn fib 1
      retn fib 3
    retn fib 8
  retn fib 21
  55
 
 scm -f fib-iter.scm
 
 call fib-iter 1 0 10
    call fib-iter 1 1 9
      call fib-iter 2 1 8
        call fib-iter 3 2 7
          call fib-iter 5 3 6
          retn fib-iter 55
        retn fib-iter 55
      retn fib-iter 55
    retn fib-iter 55
  retn fib-iter 55
  55
Re:Emacs-ng: Emacs with Deno runtime and TypeScript by taeric on Tuesday March 16, 2021 @07:55PM (#26484822)
Right. I "know" how tree recursion scales up. It is still neat to "see" the impact on the speed.

That is, knowing all of these facts, it is still impressive how fast you can get (fib 1000000) using iteration and bignums.

Re:Emacs-ng: Emacs with Deno runtime and TypeScript by vitus on Tuesday March 16, 2021 @09:14PM (#26485377)
There, that runtime is roughly O(n^2) when dealing with bignums, since addition scales linearly with bit length of the operands, and bit length increases linearly with the number of iterations (~0.7 bits per iteration).

Which is still not fast -- on my laptop, Python takes about 9s for fib(1000000). But compared to an exponentially-growing function, that's a blink of an eye.

Re:Emacs-ng: Emacs with Deno runtime and TypeScript by eddieh on Monday March 15, 2021 @11:40PM (#26472721)
Re:Emacs-ng: Emacs with Deno runtime and TypeScript by taeric on Monday March 15, 2021 @11:49PM (#26472789)
Apologies, I should have acknowledged there are ways to get around that today. My guess is most folks writing javascript are not aware of BigInt. And will only become so when it bites them.

Granted, this is also true of fixednum in common lisp. At least "biting you" with that should only be performance. (I can't think of many other ways for that one to get you.)

Edit: I should further ack that "getting around" it is as simple as adding "n" to one of the constants. So, it is nicely done.

Re:Emacs-ng: Emacs with Deno runtime and TypeScript by eddieh on Tuesday March 16, 2021 @01:45AM (#26473439)
I don’t think I’ve seen BigInt in the wild Wild West of JS at all, so that’s probably true that most folks are not aware of it.

I wonder if there’s some room for improvement since using GMP is pretty standard for most languages.

Edit: forgot to link to a BigInt comparison in major language implementations http://www.wilfred.me.uk/blog/2014/10/20/the-fastest-bigint-...

Re:Emacs-ng: Emacs with Deno runtime and TypeScript by the-smug-one on Tuesday March 16, 2021 @03:50AM (#26474030)
Chez Scheme gives:

> (time (fibonacci 40)) (time (fibonacci 40)) no collections 1.364130664s elapsed cpu time 1.364456065s elapsed real time 0 bytes allocated 102334155

Re:Emacs-ng: Emacs with Deno runtime and TypeScript by dleslie on Monday March 15, 2021 @11:01PM (#26472432)
Chicken's default is fairly unoptimized; try higher optimization levels.
Re:Emacs-ng: Emacs with Deno runtime and TypeScript by eddieh on Monday March 15, 2021 @11:38PM (#26472706)
Oh dang...you're right

    $ csc -optimize-level 5 fib.scm 
    $ time ./fib

    real 0m5.506s
    user 0m5.489s
    sys  0m0.010s
I could get a few fractions of a second better playing with the stack size (4 MB was the best, 8 MB or above would segfault)

    $ csc -optimize-level 5 -stack-size 4m fib.scm 
    $ time ./fib

    real 0m5.295s
    user 0m5.277s
    sys  0m0.011s
Everything else was negligible or extremely varied.
Re:Emacs-ng: Emacs with Deno runtime and TypeScript by dleslie on Monday March 15, 2021 @11:56PM (#26472858)
Yep, to get beyond that you basically have to stop writing scheme and start writing a tortured variant of Chicken, for performance. ;)

I stopped writing Chicken scheme code a few years ago; it was fun due to the ease of interoperating with C, but I found Chibi a better fit for that niche eventually.