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Re:5 years of leetcode with no progress. I'm giving up by coldtea on Monday March 15, 2021 @01:09PM (#26468590)
>The culture of always trying harder and thinking success stories apply to everyone that is pervasive in programming circles is toxic.

That's true.

>not everyone is lucky enough to be intellectually gifted to succeed and not all hard work pays off

That's also true.

The part about quiting programming though is a non sequitur. You don't need to have innate talent to do something, or even to do it well, you just need to get good at it.

And you can get good enough to do things without getting genius level great, or even good at the level (or with the ease) of the person with the innate talent.

Know the old adage "good enough to do some real damage" (damage meant complimentary, as in "to do stuff")? That's the spirit.

The industry needs tens of millions of programmers, for all kinds of levels, not only innate-talent-software-gurus.

I don't even know what leetcode is (I assume from this post it's some kind of education site, or a website with problems to solve to get better, like Project Euler or something).

Re:5 years of leetcode with no progress. I'm giving up by murph-almighty on Monday March 15, 2021 @01:28PM (#26468867)
Broadly speaking, leetcode is a broad set of challenging coding problems that usually have to do with data structures/algorithms and O(n) optimization, that are often presented without much real-world context that relates to the job you interview for.

Leetcode.com is a site that preps you for interviews like that and claims to have the interview question sets for FAANG and FAANG-like companies.

Re:5 years of leetcode with no progress. I'm giving up by QuitProgramming on Monday March 15, 2021 @06:21PM (#26470023)
>And you can get good enough to do things without getting genius level great, or even good at the level (or with the ease) of the person with the innate talent

Maybe. It depends on how much innate talent you do have. Talent isn't an on off switch. It's a spectrum. It's possible to have enough talent to be a genius, to be just below a genius, to be good enough, but also to not even be good enough to reach a minimal employable threshold. It depends on the person.

>The industry needs tens of millions of programmers, for all kinds of levels, not only innate-talent-software-gurus.

But who gets the best rewards?

Re:5 years of leetcode with no progress. I'm giving up by coldtea on Tuesday March 16, 2021 @06:42AM (#26475044)
>But who gets the best rewards?

Somebody else. Which is the case for 99.999% of the population, so?

Re:5 years of leetcode with no progress. I'm giving up by QuitProgramming on Thursday March 18, 2021 @02:22PM (#26505782)
Being part of that 99.999% doesn't seem to be a good life.
Re:5 years of leetcode with no progress. I'm giving up by AnimalMuppet on Monday March 15, 2021 @06:47PM (#26470316)
The best (usually) get the best rewards. The not-best rewards are still good enough to be worth getting, though.
Re:5 years of leetcode with no progress. I'm giving up by QuitProgramming on Monday March 15, 2021 @06:50PM (#26470345)
I have done the calculations and only the FAANG level companies will get me where I want to go when I want to be there.
Re:5 years of leetcode with no progress. I'm giving up by ryandrake on Monday March 15, 2021 @07:26PM (#26470689)
Have you considered working for non-FAANG companies for a little while, while you build up your skills on-the-job? I was nearly in my 40s before I got a job at one of those “top” companies, and it wasn’t for lack of trying.
Re:5 years of leetcode with no progress. I'm giving up by QuitProgramming on Monday March 15, 2021 @11:25PM (#26472605)
I worked at a bottom tier company for 1.5 years. I got fired and hated my time there. I never want to repeat that experience.
Re:5 years of leetcode with no progress. I'm giving up by romanhn on Tuesday March 16, 2021 @01:15AM (#26473279)
You were fired from a "bottom tier" company. No offense, but what makes you think that you will survive the much higher expectations at a FAANG long enough to retire? I personally found that to be much harder than getting into one. For the record, I believe most people can get into FAANG with some (or lots) prep work, but if you think that regurgitating Leetcode is the only thing you need, I would highly recommend revisiting this assumption. Perhaps start with those social skills you mentioned elsewhere...
Re:5 years of leetcode with no progress. I'm giving up by gargarplex on Tuesday March 16, 2021 @07:38AM (#26475417)
Strong +1 to this. I passed the FAANG interview after solving 100 leetcodes, mostly medium.

Being able to show up and do the work is table stakes –– and yes, I actually write efficient algorithms in my day-to-day because we process massive amounts of data. But the algos I write were invented 50, 60 years ago. My leetcode study process was to look up the solution and then memorize it through rote practice. Why reinvent the wheel? I'm not trying to win a Turing prize here.

But your intellectual mettle and day to day happiness in the company is tested by your ability to deal with people.

Re:5 years of leetcode with no progress. I'm giving up by coldtea on Tuesday March 16, 2021 @06:45AM (#26475060)
>only the FAANG level companies will get me where I want to go

So? You might never go "where you want to go" (some monetary compensasion?). It might be unreachable or a pipe dream for most and/or for you.