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Re:Telegram is booming but needs advertisers and $700M soon by izacus on Monday March 15, 2021 @12:40PM (#26468216)
Telegram actually provides a fully featured C++ library you can just include - it has a pretty good API that does most of the complex things for you.

You just register callbacks for message lists / chat messages and notifications and you're all set.

This allows people to easily build full-featured clients for pretty much any platform and it makes it easy for everyone to keep up. Very smart platform design.

I'm very disappointed that something made to be more open like Signal completely failed in this aspect and has ended being a walled garden with poor quality clients.

Re:Telegram is booming but needs advertisers and $700M soon by sim_card_map on Monday March 15, 2021 @01:41PM (#26469007)
Exactly, Signal creator is actively against 3rd party clients, because they use his infrastructure for free:

https://github.com/LibreSignal/LibreSignal/issues/37#issueco...

Re:Telegram is booming but needs advertisers and $700M soon by mercacona on Monday March 15, 2021 @05:48PM (#26469616)
The issue was branding, not bandwidth. There’re 3rd party clients:

https://github.com/mollyim/mollyim-android

Re:Telegram is booming but needs advertisers and $700M soon by gojomo on Monday March 15, 2021 @06:09PM (#26469878)
Marlinspike in the linked comment is clearly also disapproving of the use of Signal's servers, so it's more than branding. Unless he's blessed 'MollyIM' explicitly since, there remains some risk it could be locked out at any time.
Re:Telegram is booming but needs advertisers and $700M soon by mercacona on Tuesday March 16, 2021 @02:16AM (#26473577)
Yes, certainly, but Telegram states officially in their FAQ, that Durov’s fortune pays for their servers and now it seems there’re creditors too. Risk are everywhere, but an unofficial opinion doesn’t alters the fact that there’re third party clients that are promoted in the official community forums.
Re:Telegram is booming but needs advertisers and $700M soon by gojomo on Wednesday March 17, 2021 @01:35AM (#26486973)
When the foundation co-founder & CEO of the development LLC says something – and the same thing, repeatedly, when the topic comes up – that's not as weak as an 'unofficial opinion'.

Of course, it could be reversed, and if you find any more-recent official welcomes from Signal for third-party clients to use its servers, I'd love references.

Re:Telegram is booming but needs advertisers and $700M soon by sim_card_map on Monday March 15, 2021 @06:05PM (#26469825)
No, not just branding. Read the message I linked to.

He explicitly says he doesn't want other clients to use their infra.

Re:Telegram is booming but needs advertisers and $700M soon by gaius_baltar on Monday March 15, 2021 @06:54PM (#26470384)
There is nothing, technically, that he can do to prevent third party clients. That's the same thing we did in the times of ICQ, AOL and MSN Messenger.

And there is an actual demand for features not provided by the official client, as stated by the amount of PRs contributed by non-Signal developers waiting in their GitHub repo, so people will continue to come with their own changes.

Re:Telegram is booming but needs advertisers and $700M soon by sangnoir on Monday March 15, 2021 @10:55PM (#26472394)
> There is nothing, technically, that he can do to prevent third party clients.

There are plenty of technical ways of detecting and blocking 3rd party clients (using both in-channel and side-channel, uh, signals); the only challenge is that it becomes a never-ending arms-race

Re:Telegram is booming but needs advertisers and $700M soon by zie on Tuesday March 16, 2021 @10:43AM (#26477328)
and the clients are open source[0], so unless the close source it, the arms race is mostly in commit speed. :)

0: https://github.com/signalapp/Signal-Android/commits/master

Re:Telegram is booming but needs advertisers and $700M soon by mercacona on Tuesday March 16, 2021 @02:09AM (#26473545)
Your link is a comment in 2016, but it’s 2021 now and there’re alternative clients using their infrastructure.

That’s my point, I’m sorry if you consider some wording five years ago is more relevant than what’s going on in present time.

Re:Telegram is booming but needs advertisers and $700M soon by 1vuio0pswjnm7 on Monday March 15, 2021 @06:17PM (#26469976)
Are there any clients that will run on older versions of Android.