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Re:Satellite imagery shows Northern California kelp forests ... by falcolas on Sunday March 14, 2021 @09:32PM (#26461604)
> but society as a whole can design urban systems which support low-energy living in even difficult conditions.

What's the forcing function? It's already been proven that a global climate crisis is not enough to move society. It's not profitable enough to convince corporations to do it. The 0.1% have no cause to do it; even the humanitarians among that group have much better investments they can make.

EDIT: Also, in the past, living in the north without electricity was managed by burning wood and coal. Given the significant increase in population the impact to the environment of burning all that would be irrecoverable on its own.

Re:Satellite imagery shows Northern California kelp forests ... by bumby on Sunday March 14, 2021 @11:42PM (#26462406)
>It's not profitable enough to convince corporations to do it.

Can policy not make it profitable? It seems like regulation can be a means of creating market incentives. It worked well for leaded gas, I tend to think a carbon tax/market may work

Re:Satellite imagery shows Northern California kelp forests ... by bilegeek on Monday March 15, 2021 @01:17AM (#26462844)
At best, like leaded gas, it will take about 30 years, which in this case is far, FAR too late.

At worst, there is no way that anything approaching that sort of regulation will ever fly in today's political system. Period.

Re:Satellite imagery shows Northern California kelp forests ... by lovecg on Monday March 15, 2021 @04:40AM (#26463730)
Seems to be working quite well in Europe [0]. There are reasons to be optimistic.

[0] https://www.economist.com/finance-and-economics/2021/02/24/p...