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Re:Tuna’s Last Stand by 0xbadcafebee on Sunday March 14, 2021 @11:34AM (#26456218)
> I'm sorry, but I refuse to feel guilty

Then you're not sorry.

> When I go to the store and buy some tuna I expect that it was responsibly fished. If it wasn't then it's the fault of our government and regulation, regular customer shouldn't be worried about that.

How do you think regulations come to be?

If a consumer wants a product, a company finds a way to provide it. The company will poison the land, sea and sky in order to provide it to you, they don't give a shit. The government allows it until the people demand regulations to stop it. But you are the people - if you don't want it stopped, it won't be. And so there are no regulations made.

There is no parental overlord making sure that what you purchase is sustainable or cruelty-free. Sitting around saying "somebody should stop me from ruining the earth" doesn't actually make it happen. I know you don't want to have any personal responsibility or culpability for the shitty way the world works, but you do.

Ultimately, you, and everyone like you, are the reason we can't have nice things.

Re:Tuna’s Last Stand by gambiting on Sunday March 14, 2021 @01:59PM (#26457257)
>>Ultimately, you, and everyone like you, are the reason we can't have nice things.

Because I expect to live in a country with a strong regulatory framework where if I buy something in a store I don't have to worry whether it was produced in an ethical way?

You're right, I'm the problem. Thanks mate.

Re:Tuna’s Last Stand by 0xbadcafebee on Sunday March 14, 2021 @02:16PM (#26457404)
You've already admitted you won't lift a finger to actually help the situation. Why would you expect your government to do anything if they're made up of people like you? Do you believe all those government workers exist on some other plane of moral relativism? Or do you think that laws and regulations magically come into being, like the zeitgeist just wills regulations into place?

The government does not sit around reading your mind and then make regulations to match it. Even if it could, it wouldn't. The government only creates a regulation when either a corporation or a very vocal coalition of people demand it. And those two parties are working against each other anyway, making it even less likely.

I really don't know how to explain it in simple enough terms. If you don't care, then neither does the society, and thus the government. Ergo, people like you are the reason the regulations don't exist and aren't enforced when they do.

Re:Tuna’s Last Stand by gambiting on Sunday March 14, 2021 @04:41PM (#26458932)
Ok, maybe I came across incorrectly.

Obviously, I do care. I do care on the level of having strong regulation, having institutions and governments which regulate this, so that at the end as a customer when I walk into a store I don't need to Google whether a particular brand is fishing tuna in a particular way or not. I expect that the entire structure that exists for regulating and allowing these products to reach the shelves will prevent products which are made in an insustainable way. Maybe I'm a fool for expecting it to work this. But that was why I replied how I did - that I refuse to feel bad because I expect my government to prevent this in the first place. Just like I said elsewhere - I don't worry whether a phone I'm buying was made with child labour because I believe all governments involved in the production of the device enforce laws against child labour.

That doesn't mean that I don't care. But if I find out that phones made by kids or tuna fished to extinction is on store shelves I'll complain.....to the regulatory bodies. Not decide "well, I guess I'll never eat tuna ever again".