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Re:Why doesn't capitalism produce good kettles? by cwhiz on Saturday March 13, 2021 @10:59AM (#26447394)
I’m sorry, but what? There are infinite electric kettles available. 27 minutes to boil water? Again, what?

Seriously, have you ever been in North America? Just go into literally any big box retailer and find the 50 foot long shelves full of electric kettles. Or go to an online retailer, say Amazon, and find hundreds and hundreds of them. Virtually every major brand makes electric kettles, they all seem to work just fine, and they don’t take 27 minutes to boil water.

Re:Why doesn't capitalism produce good kettles? by orra on Saturday March 13, 2021 @11:18AM (#26447533)
> 27 minutes to boil water? Again, what?

They're exaggerating. But your typical North American electric kettle is—ballpark—twice as slow as a European kettle.

Your standard North American sockets provide half the voltage but not double the amperage, so they're half as powerful.

Re:Why doesn't capitalism produce good kettles? by otterley on Saturday March 13, 2021 @11:39AM (#26447695)
Not much we can do about that, I’m afraid. Most residential outlets are 15 amps, and to double them to 30 amps or convert them to 240V would require costly rewiring. And copper prices are sky-high these days.
Re:Why doesn't capitalism produce good kettles? by lotsofpulp on Saturday March 13, 2021 @11:55AM (#26447821)
The electrician, drywall repair, and other skilled labor costs of running a thicker gauge wire to the kitchen from the circuit breaker would far outweigh the cost of the wire itself. By orders of magnitude.
Re:Why doesn't capitalism produce good kettles? by orra on Saturday March 13, 2021 @12:26PM (#26448086)
From web searching, North America is 120V but two phases. So you could redo the socket to 240V without running new cable through your walls.

But that's kinda academic if nobody sells kettles that have the North American 240V plug.

Re:Why doesn't capitalism produce good kettles? by mlyle on Saturday March 13, 2021 @03:20PM (#26449638)
> From web searching, North America is 120V but two phases. So you could redo the socket to 240V without running new cable through your walls.

You'd need an extra conductor of wire than is there in the cable for a standard 240V outlet. (Hot1, Hot2, Neutral, Gnd).

You can run a Hot1/Hot2 240V circuit with existing 14/2 romex, but odds are that whatever feeds the outlet in your kitchen also feeds many other outlets, and you don't want them all to be 240V.

Note North America doesn't use ring circuits like the UK.

Re:Why doesn't capitalism produce good kettles? by sjg007 on Saturday March 13, 2021 @10:05PM (#26452440)
The Japanese hot water things basically solve this problem too by maintaining hot water all the time.
Re:Why doesn't capitalism produce good kettles? by orra on Sunday March 14, 2021 @06:17AM (#26454094)
Convenient but inefficient.
Re:Why doesn't capitalism produce good kettles? by sjg007 on Sunday March 14, 2021 @09:26AM (#26455204)
So water heaters are inefficient? I’m confused, they save time.
Re:Why doesn't capitalism produce good kettles? by orra on Sunday March 14, 2021 @09:59AM (#26455479)
I mean the thermal (and hence, electrical) inefficiency of keeping hot water warm all the time.

Similarly, even with good insulation, a combi boiler is more efficient than having a hot water tank.

Re:Why doesn't capitalism produce good kettles? by kardos on Saturday March 13, 2021 @12:33PM (#26448151)
Or you could use two kettles
Re:Why doesn't capitalism produce good kettles? by awillen on Saturday March 13, 2021 @12:53PM (#26448355)
This guy thinks outside the box.
Re:Why doesn't capitalism produce good kettles? by _nalply on Saturday March 13, 2021 @01:11PM (#26448551)
Till the fuses flip.
Re:Why doesn't capitalism produce good kettles? by kardos on Saturday March 13, 2021 @03:27PM (#26449685)
Yeah this only works if you have more than one circuit.
Re:Why doesn't capitalism produce good kettles? by snypher on Saturday March 13, 2021 @11:49AM (#26447777)
I wonder if a kettle with a J1772 or Tesla port...
Re:Why doesn't capitalism produce good kettles? by cameronh90 on Saturday March 13, 2021 @12:02PM (#26447885)
What about a kettle with a giant battery pack that charges when idle and boils at 10kW when you press the button.
Re:Why doesn't capitalism produce good kettles? by SAI_Peregrinus on Saturday March 13, 2021 @02:16PM (#26449091)
Photonicinduction's 10-second kettle[1] doesn't use a battery, instead it uses his 100A 240V input through a big variac to run at 10kW (440V, 22.7A). This isn't good for the longevity of the kettle he used, sadly.

[1] https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dDLw1Rx_cAI

Re:Why doesn't capitalism produce good kettles? by ryzvonusef on Saturday March 13, 2021 @04:40PM (#26450252)
>Photonicinduction

whatever happened to the guy, i was a fan of his videos then he stopped posting a few years back...

electroboom seems to be covering a similar niche, so that's good though.

Re:Why doesn't capitalism produce good kettles? by kirstenbirgit on Saturday March 13, 2021 @01:28PM (#26448694)
At that point one might as well get an instant boiling water tap system.
Re:Why doesn't capitalism produce good kettles? by sneak on Saturday March 13, 2021 @04:57PM (#26450411)
Joking aside, I use a Zojirushi vacuum kettle that keeps the water at the correct temperature at all times, so I never wait.
Re:Why doesn't capitalism produce good kettles? by cwhiz on Saturday March 13, 2021 @12:10PM (#26447943)
Sure, but 27 minutes is such an absurd exaggeration. I can boil a liter of water on my electric kettle in 4-5 minutes. I rarely need a full liter, anyway, and I don’t always want the water at boiling temperature. It is typically under 2 minutes for me to have hot water for a cup of tea. In Europe maybe those numbers are halved, but to me it’s just a trivial difference.
Re:Why doesn't capitalism produce good kettles? by orra on Saturday March 13, 2021 @12:24PM (#26448065)
Sure. But what about 1.7L? That's what my typical kettles does, at maximum.

It's great for boiling water for cooking; at 230V it's faster than heating on the hob. But if it took 7–8 minutes, that'd be frustrating.

Re:Why doesn't capitalism produce good kettles? by cwhiz on Saturday March 13, 2021 @02:12PM (#26449058)
My stove has a power boil option for that. Do you typically use your kettle to boil water for cooking?

I typically don’t even keep track of how long it takes to boil on the stove. I just do the rest of the prep work.

Re:Why doesn't capitalism produce good kettles? by orra on Saturday March 13, 2021 @05:57PM (#26450948)
Yeah, we use the kettle all the time, for quickly bringing water to the boil. Always for pasta. Sometimes for potatoes (though they are probably better gradually heated from cold).

A power boil option would be a decent alternative.

I'm probably just impatient, to be fair.

Re:Why doesn't capitalism produce good kettles? by foldr on Saturday March 13, 2021 @11:27AM (#26447594)
Electric kettles in America seem to be something of a boutique item. I often had to say “tea kettle” before anyone even understood what I was looking for.

They are definitely 100% available to buy. However, they cost more and seem to be of lower quality than the range available in the UK.

I suspect the voltage difference is the underlying reason. If you have a gas burner then an old fashioned stovetop kettle is almost as fast as an electric kettle in the US.