They

- break compability or make their sites slow in other browsers, sometimes in so interesting ways that it makes it hard to defend as just incompetence. Edit, example: didn't they go out of their way to find a way to make YouTube crawl in Firefox while performing well in Chrome a few months ago? IIRC instead of doing it the new straightforward way that was supported everywhere they went with a solution that was so backwards that it was already deprecated in Chrome as well or something?

- make banners on the front page of the worlds most famous web property, urging people to change

I'm using Firefox and the only service that I have to use on a regular basis that does not really work in Firefox is actually Microsoft Teams.

This is quite ironic given all the "Google killed Microsoft's own browser engine" stories.

I find Excel in Firefox to be quite broken.

Google is much better at working than Microsoft.

You're nitpicking. The situation is a night and day difference compared to 10-20 years ago.

> break compability or make their sites slow in other browsers

"Never attribute to malice that which is adequately explained by stupidity"

> make banners on the front page of the worlds most famous web property

Well, can't argue with that!

Do you really think the individuals at Google are stupid?

I do not think so.

Of course they can be. For example Stadia.

Now Stadia Studios might not seem like a big deal, I mean who uses it? Not many people bought into it because no one trusts Google to keep anything alive.

Consequently, Google Cloud is great but I know that without question we picked AWS and Azure because of appearances of Google publically killing and not supporting their products.

People at Google absolutely do stupid things and damage their reputation.

Everyone has the power to be stupid at times. Maybe other people have the power to be brilliant times.

But the ratio of these times vary per person.

The YouTube thing was back in 2018:

https://www.cnet.com/news/mozilla-exec-says-google-slowed-yo...

More like it's been using its dominant browser market position, and "Essential" nature as a search/cloud based services operator, to wag the dog of the web standardization process.

Which Google-pushed standards were most at fault for making websites break on Firefox?

Have a read: https://mobile.twitter.com/johnath/status/111687124330162585...

Google are just as bad as MS. End of story.

Deliberately breaking the performance of YouTube on Firefox is fine, because it shows how the non neutral net degrades into a television show with lots of commercial breaks. No way to opt out while trying to do work on your personal computer using the information shared on our Internet. None of that, if it's up to Microsoft and Google.

They sort of killed DNT.