Re:Goroutines are not significantly lighter than threads
by gnfargbl on Friday March 12, 2021 @05:44PM
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True, but if you regularly have 1000 runnable goroutines then could you not reconfigure your app to have, say, 64 runnable goroutines, and get better throughput? Large numbers of goroutines do seem to be a good fit for problems which are mostly waiting on the network.
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Re:Goroutines are not significantly lighter than threads
by jeffbee on Friday March 12, 2021 @06:00PM
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The architecture of Go forces you to have 1 goroutine servicing every socket, so the number of runnable goroutines will then be at the mercy of your packet inter-arrival process.
Re:Goroutines are not significantly lighter than threads
by Thaxll on Sunday March 14, 2021 @09:31AM
(#26455248)
Go does not forces you to do any of that: https://github.com/panjf2000/gnet ( and as you can see it's as fast as the fastest C++ lib )
Go provides go routines as a building block, it's up to you to use that or use something else ( reactor pattern, epoll ect ... )
Re:Goroutines are not significantly lighter than threads
by closeparen on Saturday March 13, 2021 @01:13PM
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Aren’t sockets the textbook example of what’s usually blocked? When do you have 1000 sockets all ready to read?
Re:Goroutines are not significantly lighter than threads
by jeffbee on Saturday March 13, 2021 @03:36PM
(#26449753)
Systems often solicit these kinds of packet storms, for example in root-and-leaf search architectures. See "TCP incast" for writings about this problem.
https://www.usenix.org/system/files/login/articles/chen12-06...
Re:Goroutines are not significantly lighter than threads
by im3w1l on Saturday March 13, 2021 @12:53AM
(#26444350)
I'm not too familiar with go, but could you make the socket-routines very lightweight? Like dump the work on a threadpool, and then go back to sleep?
Re:Goroutines are not significantly lighter than threads
by orisho on Friday March 12, 2021 @06:07PM
(#26442054)
Does it? You could implement a classic select-based reader and writer in a single goroutine, to handle many sockets at once.
Re:Goroutines are not significantly lighter than threads
by jeffbee on Friday March 12, 2021 @06:09PM
(#26442069)
Please describe how you would actually do that in Go.
Re:Goroutines are not significantly lighter than threads
by lossolo on Friday March 12, 2021 @06:51PM
(#26442407)
Using epoll directly (via syscalls) like here https://github.com/tidwall/evio
Re:Goroutines are not significantly lighter than threads
by refenestrator on Friday March 12, 2021 @07:58PM
(#26442885)
My information is outdated, but last I knew, Go always parked a goroutine when making a syscall. Seems like a lot of overhead to read bytes that you know are there from an epolled fd.
Re:Goroutines are not significantly lighter than threads
by WGH_ on Tuesday March 16, 2021 @10:17AM
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You could put epoll fd in non-blocking mode, wrap it with os.NewFile, use SyscallConn() to get syscall.RawConn object, and then use its Read method. Its Read method is special: you can return "not ready", and it will use the Go runtime poller to wait until it's readable, in this particular case effectively putting epoll in a epoll.
In epoll case, using RawConn.Read would look like this:
err := rawConn.Read(func(fd uintptr) bool {
nevents, err = syscall.EpollWait(int(fd), events[:], 0)
if nevents == 0 {
return false // try again
}
return true
})
Note that using RawConn.Read here is only necessary because epoll needs epoll_wait(2) instead of typical read(2). For ordinary file descriptors, like pipes, etc., setting them to non-blocking mode, wrapping them with os.NewFile, and using its ordinary Read/Write methods is sufficient.
Re:Goroutines are not significantly lighter than threads
by coder543 on Friday March 12, 2021 @10:57PM
(#26443817)
Not exactly. It depends on the syscall. Syscalls that are known to be slow are treated the way you're describing, but syscalls that are often fast are treated optimistically in a way that allows the work queue to be stolen and spawned onto a new thread only if the syscall doesn't return quickly.
I don't know which category epoll fits into, but it seems like it should be treated optimistically, since epoll is used for non-blocking I/O.
https://utcc.utoronto.ca/~cks/space/blog/programming/GoSched...
Re:Goroutines are not significantly lighter than threads
by refenestrator on Friday March 12, 2021 @11:18PM
(#26443921)
read(2) has to fit into the "might block" bucket, though, right? It would take a very smart runtime to figure out you just called epoll recently and established it won't block.