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Re:The mainframe is alive and thriving by rbanffy on Thursday March 11, 2021 @12:25PM (#26426562)
> BUT - the problem is the core of our system is written in COBOL.

This is the key issue. You can migrate it off the mainframe or you can migrate it to sexier tech on the mainframe.

> and the new generation doesn't know them or have much of a desire to learn them.

One of the barriers is that these companies are not willing to pay the same money we (I think we are from the same generation - I was paid to write Apple II software) can get from working with anything that's not COBOL.

I'd love to spend some time with mainframes - they are the fastest Linux machines you can get - but don't want it enough to combine COBOL and JCL with a significant pay cut.

Re:The mainframe is alive and thriving by albroland on Thursday March 11, 2021 @12:46PM (#26426801)
>One of the barriers is that these companies are not willing to pay the same money we (I think we are from the same generation - I was paid to write Apple II software) can get from working with anything that's not COBOL.

As a younger person (graduated 2012) who entered the mainframe space for my first job then left after 2y, I can very much vouch that compensation for software devs working on zOS systems writing COBOL or HLASM is peanuts. You'd be looking at 1.5-2x'ing your income even if you took a job at a series A startup writing CRUD apps in Rails/etc.

Re:The mainframe is alive and thriving by azinman2 on Thursday March 11, 2021 @05:27PM (#26429788)
Perhaps you just need to wait 10 year for everyone to retire and then the market supply will jack up these rates!
Re:The mainframe is alive and thriving by gnu8 on Thursday March 11, 2021 @08:25PM (#26431242)
There's a good argument for unionizing here. There are few enough COBOL devs that they could demand what they are worth and support it with industrial action.
Re:The mainframe is alive and thriving by haimez on Thursday March 11, 2021 @10:47PM (#26432012)
This will be the fastest method of getting bank software rewritten in rails.
Re:The mainframe is alive and thriving by gnu8 on Friday March 12, 2021 @07:46PM (#26442799)
That sounds like the fastest method of getting fiat money replaced with cryptocurrency.
Re:The mainframe is alive and thriving by ghaff on Thursday March 11, 2021 @12:44PM (#26426771)
I think that's often the case with "skills shortages."

If banks routinely started paying Google salaries for good COBOL developers, you'd see those shortages disappear in a big hurry.

Re:The mainframe is alive and thriving by rbanffy on Thursday March 11, 2021 @01:03PM (#26426997)
Unfortunately, banks don't see mainframe-based applications as a competitive differential. If they did, they would invest more heavily on that.
Re:The mainframe is alive and thriving by hakfoo on Sunday March 14, 2021 @01:37AM (#26453280)
I've always wondered what exactly banks DO see as a competitive advantage. If I want to take my money somewhere, what's the single-slide pitch for why should I choose Chase or Bank of America versus a regional/local competitor?

It's not pricing. As a consumer, it always seemed like the largest banks tended to be relatively non-aggressive on their rates. Isn't "we have economies of scale and pass the savings to you" the classic competitive play?

It's barely, if at all, public facing apps/websites. Okay, you've all got a branded app, you've all started offering Zelle, and you all let me take a photo of the (average of) five paper cheques I recieve in a year to deposit them.

It feels like for a while it was the vague promise of "we've got the largest network so you don't need to worry about finding a machine." A concern largely mooted by smaller banks refunding out-of-network fees and credit union networks.

Re:The mainframe is alive and thriving by ripe on Sunday March 14, 2021 @03:06PM (#26457883)
A depositor is not the customer banks are chasing. It's the businesses who want loans and financial services like M&A and IPOs.

Their competitive advantage is not in their software at all. It's in their relationships. The software helps them scale to large numbers of depositors. That's all.

Re:The mainframe is alive and thriving by dralley on Thursday March 11, 2021 @12:44PM (#26426772)
Yeah, RHEL and SLES have supported mainframe for a long time. Tons of mainframe users are running "modern" software stacks on top of the hardware. You can even do it in parallel with running the legacy stuff (and they do).