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Re:How Facebook got addicted to spreading misinformation by contemporary343 on Thursday March 11, 2021 @11:58AM (#26426198)
"In 2017, Chris Cox, Facebook’s longtime chief product officer, formed a new task force to understand whether maximizing user engagement on Facebook was contributing to political polarization. It found that there was indeed a correlation, and that reducing polarization would mean taking a hit on engagement. In a mid-2018 document reviewed by the Journal, the task force proposed several potential fixes, such as tweaking the recommendation algorithms to suggest a more diverse range of groups for people to join. But it acknowledged that some of the ideas were “antigrowth.” Most of the proposals didn’t move forward, and the task force disbanded.

Since then, other employees have corroborated these findings. A former Facebook AI researcher who joined in 2018 says he and his team conducted “study after study” confirming the same basic idea: models that maximize engagement increase polarization. They could easily track how strongly users agreed or disagreed on different issues, what content they liked to engage with, and how their stances changed as a result. Regardless of the issue, the models learned to feed users increasingly extreme viewpoints. “Over time they measurably become more polarized,” he says."

Facebook has repeatedly shown that it will maximize its bottom line and growth (in particular, as measured by engagement metrics) above everything else. Fair enough, they're a for-profit corporation! I just can't really take seriously their claims of 'self-regulation'. They simply can never be trusted to self-regulate because it's just not in their interest, and they've never shown meaningful actions in this regard. They will only respond to the legal stick - and it is most certainly coming.

Re:How Facebook got addicted to spreading misinformation by contemporary343 on Thursday March 11, 2021 @12:47PM (#26426813)
Another key quote that explains the fundamental misalignment of incentives at the employee level - you're rewarded for increasing engagment metrics. So why do something that might decrease it?

"But anything that reduced engagement, even for reasons such as not exacerbating someone’s depression, led to a lot of hemming and hawing among leadership. With their performance reviews and salaries tied to the successful completion of projects, employees quickly learned to drop those that received pushback and continue working on those dictated from the top down."

Re:How Facebook got addicted to spreading misinformation by cosmodisk on Thursday March 11, 2021 @02:24PM (#26427925)
It's funny how probably less than 50 people in one private company can have such a great impact on hundreds of millions of people worldwide.
Re:How Facebook got addicted to spreading misinformation by 908B64B197 on Thursday March 11, 2021 @01:00PM (#26426953)
Someone will have to explain to me how is that any different than a tabloid, or even a legacy newspaper/news broadcast.

The more shocking it is, the more eyeballs it attracts and the more add revenue it gets.

Re:How Facebook got addicted to spreading misinformation by ihumanable on Thursday March 11, 2021 @01:24PM (#26427231)
Several other commenters have noted differences, but I have one that I think is significant.

Tabloids, newspapers, news broadcasts are a single artifact delivered to many people. They have the same incentive to sensationalize, this is tempered though by the fact that they leave a public record that people can discuss, scrutinize, and will ultimately impact their reputation.

When a paper consistently prints outlandish stories of bat-boys and lizard-ufos, everyone can see that and the paper will get a reputation as being a rag.

In contrast, the feed of posts you see on your facebook (or twitter, or instagram, or other social media feed site) is tailored to you. There's no opportunity for other people to see the crazy thing that hit the front page and write blog posts critiquing it, give talks debunking the methodology, etc.

The algorithm can show your eyes, and your eyes alone, a steady stream of posts that are right on the edge of what you will find acceptable and engaging. The public at large won't know what is on your feed or even the feeds of powerful actors in society like politicians, billions, and celebrities.

It's like we are all accessing our own personal newspaper everyday, whose stories have been tailored to be as interesting as possible to us, but without any accountability or scrutiny besides what we bring to the table. You are welcome to see something that confirms your world view and either accept it as gospel or do the leg work to prove or disprove it.

What we are finding though is that when people are presented with things that confirm their beliefs, they tend to accept them. This isn't really earth-shattering or even surprising. The ramifications of having a population constantly consuming a stream of media tailored exactly for them is something are starting to understand.

Re:How Facebook got addicted to spreading misinformation by rapind on Thursday March 11, 2021 @03:49PM (#26428844)
There’s a simple formula to figure out how toxic something is, and that’s advertiser investment.

Whenever the advertising industry get excited about a new medium or platform it should be a big red flag for the rest of us.

Re:How Facebook got addicted to spreading misinformation by carabiner on Thursday March 11, 2021 @01:18PM (#26427166)
FB didn't invent clickbait, but they made it way more insidious. Tabloids didn't go viral like FB posts do. Just as guns and nukes don't kill people, but they do make it easier.

Really, I see Facebook as the A-bomb of virality and fomenting extremism. It is devastatingly effective. That's why they've made so much money. Much more than the NYTimes or National Enquirer or Drudge Report. It's not just another media source, it's a game changer at harnessing people's attention and outraging them as quickly as possible. At scale, with 1 billion users, this has world-changing effects.

Re:How Facebook got addicted to spreading misinformation by strangeloops85 on Thursday March 11, 2021 @01:06PM (#26427030)
Two main differences: Scale and transparency.

The scale of reach is tremendous, faster and optimized in a way newspapers/media could only dream of.

It's also not publicly clear what is being widely disseminated and to whom, other than when outside parties analyze what's happening within Facebook on a given day (and this has limits).

Re:How Facebook got addicted to spreading misinformation by throwaway53453 on Thursday March 11, 2021 @01:54PM (#26427593)
Tabloids has the same issue with transparency and scale. The media industry took a liking to pushing governments to war, whereas so far Facebook has proven to just hunger for money.
Re:How Facebook got addicted to spreading misinformation by loveistheanswer on Thursday March 11, 2021 @03:00PM (#26428334)
>Someone will have to explain to me how is that any different than a tabloid, or even a legacy newspaper/news broadcast.

Speed, scale, pervasiveness, profitability, automated algorithmic microtargeting based on individual psychological profiles.

>The more shocking it is, the more eyeballs it attracts and the more add revenue it gets.

It's the same concept, just taken to a never before seen technological extreme.

Re:How Facebook got addicted to spreading misinformation by athenot on Thursday March 11, 2021 @01:05PM (#26427021)
Tabloids come at most daily. They don't create patterns of continuous engagement throughout the day (unless linked to by social media).

News broadcast is a better analogy but still not as addictive as something that continually reaches out to you throughout the day.

Re:How Facebook got addicted to spreading misinformation by Barracoon on Thursday March 11, 2021 @01:09PM (#26427059)
I'd add the active component of Facebook compared to tabloids/broadcasts. With the latter, I'm just a consumer. With the former, I'm actively contributing via share/like/comment. There's probably a psychological component that deepens your commitment to the viewpoint when you actively participate like that.
Re:How Facebook got addicted to spreading misinformation by coffeefirst on Thursday March 11, 2021 @01:30PM (#26427288)
They also aren't personalized, which has more side effects than people realize.

Even the most nihilist shock-jock has to pick a speed that won't alienate half his audience or drive all the advertisers away from the network. In these systems, those counterweights don't exist.

Re:How Facebook got addicted to spreading misinformation by rapind on Thursday March 11, 2021 @03:42PM (#26428777)
The self regulation argument is ALWAYS bullshit. If a company loses business by self regulating then a competitor may come a long and eat their lunch. We shouldn’t expect it, and shouldn’t be disappointed when it doesn’t happen.

This is what the public (government) should be responsible for. That way regulation is uniform (at least one can hope) across the industry.

Re:How Facebook got addicted to spreading misinformation by eplanit on Thursday March 11, 2021 @12:55PM (#26426903)
Very interesting. The parallels with FB (et al.) and tobacco company history is remarkable.
Re:How Facebook got addicted to spreading misinformation by tim333 on Friday March 12, 2021 @06:29AM (#26434602)
>They will only respond to the legal stick - and it is most certainly coming

But how are you going to legislate the engagement / polarisation tradeoff?

Re:How Facebook got addicted to spreading misinformation by synaesthesisx on Thursday March 11, 2021 @01:58PM (#26427638)
This is spot on. Advertising companies like Facebook, self-optimize for one thing only: user engagement/impressions.