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Re:Nuclear power looks to regain its footing 10 years after ... by HPsquared on Thursday March 11, 2021 @07:25AM (#26423275)
Fossil fuels need to be replaced in all their applications, not just electricity.

Even taking the example of Scotland (which is a doing rather well in this regard) electricity is a relatively small portion of energy consumption. Heat and transport are the dominant areas, and both are still mostly fossil-based.

https://www.scottishrenewables.com/our-industry/statistics

Re:Nuclear power looks to regain its footing 10 years after ... by pedrocr on Thursday March 11, 2021 @09:41AM (#26424458)
> Heat and transport are the dominant areas, and both are still mostly fossil-based.

Nuclear is not used for any of those either. And to use nuclear for heat and transport the easiest way is to just turn it into electricity and use EVs and heat pumps. So we're back to how to clean up electricity.

Cleaning up the grid isn't just useful for the immediate emissions benefit, it's also because if you concentrate the clean technology there you can decouple the problem and clean up everything else by electrifying. There are things like fertilizers and steel where we have more than just the energy input to clean up and even those have solutions based on electrification.

Re:Nuclear power looks to regain its footing 10 years after ... by zajio1am on Thursday March 11, 2021 @10:48AM (#26425259)
> Nuclear is not used for any of those either.

Sometimes, nuclear is used directly for heating by distributing heat to district heating systems.

Re:Nuclear power looks to regain its footing 10 years after ... by pedrocr on Thursday March 11, 2021 @11:11AM (#26425562)
Sure, but as a side benefit. Maybe someone has actually proposed doing SMRs distributed over the country and heating all houses directly, but as far as I know it's never been done. It's usually preferred to have nuclear plants isolated from residential areas.
Re:Nuclear power looks to regain its footing 10 years after ... by addicted on Thursday March 11, 2021 @07:31AM (#26423317)
So let’s take transport.

We have electric cars on roads being sold in massive numbers.

We don’t have cars with little nuclear reactors sitting inside them.

So how is transport a good example of something that would somehow be better solved by nuclear than solar/wind?

Re:Nuclear power looks to regain its footing 10 years after ... by macspoofing on Thursday March 11, 2021 @08:19AM (#26423655)
>So how is transport a good example of something that would somehow be better solved by nuclear than solar/wind?

Cars will charge from the grid. Nuclear can output not only a lot of energy but output it at a const rate. Wind and solar cannot do that. There are times when wind isn't blowing and sun isn't shining. There are entire seasons when wind and solar output is lower. There are multiple years where wind output is lower. That variability also means you need to over build capacity. But even with that, you're still in trouble because there is no battery technology now, or coming out anytime soon, that can store enough energy (minimum of a few weeks worth) to bridge that intrinsic variability of daily, as well as inter and intra annual variability.

Re:Nuclear power looks to regain its footing 10 years after ... by saalweachter on Thursday March 11, 2021 @08:52AM (#26423983)
> Cars will charge from the grid.

Hell, let's not forget that the current plan is for people to charge their cars at night. That's when my car is plugged in; during the day I'm either parked at a public garage, or, you know, driving it around. Sure, there's probably still wind, somewhere, at night, but you're still charging your cars when your renewable energy sources are at their minimum.

Re:Nuclear power looks to regain its footing 10 years after ... by Qwertious on Thursday March 11, 2021 @09:49AM (#26424539)
>Hell, let's not forget that the current plan is for people to charge their cars at night.

The obvious solution for that is for people to plug in at home or at their job - chargers cost less than $500 (that includes installation costs), so it's not entirely impossible for workplaces to install one charger per employee and charge a margin on top of electricity prices to recoup prices. This will be desirable for EV owners once daytime electricity is cheaper than nighttime electricity, and therefore profitable for any location-owners to install.

If you have a car with ~600KM of range, then considering people drive an average of 60KM/day, you can imagine that most of the time most people basically don't need 90% of their battery and can wait until the next day. And considering people only use their car for an average of (IIRC) 2 hours a day, most of the time peoples' EVs will be idle for the charging somewhere.

For special roadtrips that might change, and perhaps midnight EV charging will spike on boxing day or such, but for the other ~360 days of the year people will largely be charging with solar.

Also, as serious as the issue is, let's remember we're talking about a projected ~5% increase on the electricity demand once the entire population goes electric. Over a decade that's less than 1% increase per year. That's not that hard, especially if we're planning to replace over half of the grid with renewables anyway.

Re:Nuclear power looks to regain its footing 10 years after ... by macspoofing on Thursday March 11, 2021 @10:05AM (#26424721)
> but for the other ~360 days of the year people will largely be charging with solar.

You do know that weather happens and there are many days where solar output drops to zero or near-zero (think snow storm as an example).

Re:Nuclear power looks to regain its footing 10 years after ... by Qwertious on Saturday March 13, 2021 @12:28AM (#26444239)
And as mentioned before, statistically most people don't need to charge every day. If the cost of charging goes up because it's overcast, people will put it off in case tomorrow is sunny and cheap.

We're talking about averages here. If solar is 10% cheaper then it doesn't matter if the price doubles once a fortnight.

Re:Nuclear power looks to regain its footing 10 years after ... by gilbetron on Thursday March 11, 2021 @11:37AM (#26425902)
Charge a battery at home during the day or whenever energy is available, then charge your car from that battery at night.
Re:Nuclear power looks to regain its footing 10 years after ... by pfdietz on Sunday March 14, 2021 @03:51PM (#26458344)
Or charge at work. Or, these days, work from home. That has greatly reduced my gasoline consumption.
Re:Nuclear power looks to regain its footing 10 years after ... by HPsquared on Thursday March 11, 2021 @07:41AM (#26423369)
My point was that the progress towards renewable/low-carbon energy is nowhere near finished yet. Something like an order of magnitude more renewable generation than what we currently have, still needs to be built if we want to truly replace fossil fuels.

It's a counterpoint to the claim that the transformation has already been achieved.

Re:Nuclear power looks to regain its footing 10 years after ... by pfdietz on Sunday March 14, 2021 @03:53PM (#26458370)
I think the claim was that the technology to enable the transformation has largely been achieved, not that it's been installed. But you're right, there's a great deal more the experience curves we're going to be able to go down, so the costs of renewables and storage should fall even more.