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Re:YouTube tells foreign creators they will soon be charged ... by sandworm101 on Wednesday March 10, 2021 @10:50AM (#26412463)
"we will soon be updating our Terms of Service where your earnings from YouTube will be considered royalties from a U.S. tax perspective (we’ve already made this change to the Terms of Service for U.S. creators in November). This may impact the way your earnings are taxed, and as required by U.S. law, Google will withhold taxes."

So you will have to file a tax return and get the money back just like every other income earner in the country. The real issue imho is that the bulk of youtubers probably aren't properly filing any returns in any country.

I have a young guy working for me who does game streaming on weekends. I think he earned a few thousand dollars last year. He had no idea that such income was taxable, that he would actually have to hand over part of it to the government despite it not coming from his fulltime job. I think he would prefer google withhold those dollars.

Re:YouTube tells foreign creators they will soon be charged ... by sharpneli on Wednesday March 10, 2021 @11:17AM (#26412796)
Can you even file an US tax return if you don't have any presence in the US? How do they even identify you if you don't have US SSN?
Re:YouTube tells foreign creators they will soon be charged ... by sandworm101 on Wednesday March 10, 2021 @11:24AM (#26412887)
https://www.irs.gov/individuals/international-taxpayers/taxa...

"C. Which Form to File: Nonresident aliens who are required to file an income tax return must use Form 1040-NR, U.S. Nonresident Alien Income Tax Return"

https://www.irs.gov/forms-pubs/about-form-1040-nr

NOT YOUR LAWYER. Just providing links to a government website that explains what that government requires of people who earn US income.

Re:YouTube tells foreign creators they will soon be charged ... by sharpneli on Wednesday March 10, 2021 @11:39AM (#26413082)
Thank you. So it indeed is doable, just holy moly the forms.

Things like "Add lines 25a through 25c". Don't they have computers? Are the forms for Citizens like this too?

Re:YouTube tells foreign creators they will soon be charged ... by zepearl on Wednesday March 10, 2021 @11:54AM (#26413316)
I guess that somebody will have to check all submissions => depending on the amount of people that earn $ through Youtube, the amount of work might increase quite a bit for the IRS?
Re:YouTube tells foreign creators they will soon be charged ... by amscanne on Wednesday March 10, 2021 @11:23AM (#26412878)
There are many different ways other than an SSN: https://www.irs.gov/individuals/international-taxpayers/taxp...
Re:YouTube tells foreign creators they will soon be charged ... by tssva on Wednesday March 10, 2021 @11:29AM (#26412959)
You apply for an IRS Employer Identification Number (EIN).

https://www.irs.gov/businesses/small-businesses-self-employe...

Re:YouTube tells foreign creators they will soon be charged ... by systemvoltage on Wednesday March 10, 2021 @11:05AM (#26412661)
Taxes don’t work like that, anywhere in the world. Your argument is “Someone doesn’t care or know about taxes, so this is going to cause problems to them”. Yes, indeed. As it should IMO.
Re:YouTube tells foreign creators they will soon be charged ... by sempron64 on Wednesday March 10, 2021 @10:59AM (#26412581)
I am not a tax expert, and I’m speaking from a U.S. perspective, but if the earnings are via stream donations (not ads), would that not be considered a small gift and not be taxable?
Re:YouTube tells foreign creators they will soon be charged ... by sandworm101 on Wednesday March 10, 2021 @11:02AM (#26412621)
Tax law 101: You cannot turn a transaction for a product into a pair of "gifts" between the parties. Where both parties are subject to contracts for services or payments, there are no gifts. Similarly, all "gifts" from employers to employees are considered non-gift income.

A car given to an employee as a "gift" is income to the employee and a taxable deduction by the employer. See Duesenberg (I'm trying to find the citation. I only remember that it involved an expensive car given to a senior employee in the early years of US income tax.)

And there is an Andy Griffith Show episode about this, about Aunt May having to pay income tax on prizes. The tax man was played by the guy who played the priest on MASH.

"While in Hollywood, Aunt Bee wins several new appliances on a TV quiz show, but when she returns home she loses her friends as a result. William Christopher plays the IRS agent who visits the Taylors to collect taxes on the prizes."

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_The_Andy_Griffith_Show...

Re:YouTube tells foreign creators they will soon be charged ... by kevinventullo on Wednesday March 10, 2021 @11:15AM (#26412778)
Stream donations aren’t really a transaction, though. The streamer is under no obligation to even respond to a donor, and certainly there is no employer/employee relationship.
Re:YouTube tells foreign creators they will soon be charged ... by amscanne on Wednesday March 10, 2021 @11:27AM (#26412930)
It’s more complicated than that. A donation to a streamer is much more like a “tip” than a gift, and tips are clearly taxable despite not having any obligations associated with them.
Re:YouTube tells foreign creators they will soon be charged ... by sandworm101 on Wednesday March 10, 2021 @11:38AM (#26413073)
From the relevant form: "Wages, salaries, tips, etc. Attach Form(s) W-2"
Re:YouTube tells foreign creators they will soon be charged ... by sandworm101 on Wednesday March 10, 2021 @11:19AM (#26412833)
Is the streamer a listed/registered charity? If not, then donations are presumed to be taxable income.
Re:YouTube tells foreign creators they will soon be charged ... by andy9775 on Wednesday March 10, 2021 @11:15AM (#26412775)
A gift is just that, a gift. The party giving the gift isn't expecting anything in return. In the streaming example, you're providing entertainment for "gifts". That's an exchange of goods/services for monetary gain and hence taxable.

Obligatory: not an accountant/lawyer

Re:YouTube tells foreign creators they will soon be charged ... by bm1362 on Wednesday March 10, 2021 @11:05AM (#26412654)
I believe the IRS would investigate many small donations under the gift tax. An analogy would be restaurant servers claiming their tips as gifts and thus not disclosing it as income.

I’m sure there are clauses to avoid abusing gift tax as a loop hole for providing a service.