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Re:Californians aren’t leaving the state en masse but are le... by aidenn0 on Saturday March 06, 2021 @08:31PM (#26372270)
Prop 47 makes theft, not robbery a misdemeanor. Big difference.
Re:Californians aren’t leaving the state en masse but are le... by the_optimist on Saturday March 06, 2021 @09:37PM (#26372617)
I witnessed a theft last week where a fellow just walked out with a load of merchandise whilst paying customers counted their coins. The initial social response among the bystanders and customers was alarm. "What just happened!?" Employees responded: "Let it go, it happens all the time."

The impact on the "social bond" of society became suddenly clarified. We live in a lawless society. Those that follow the laws are fools pantomiming a voided social contract in outdated custom.

Re:Californians aren’t leaving the state en masse but are le... by aidenn0 on Saturday March 06, 2021 @10:23PM (#26372846)
Shoplifting is tough because it can often be cheaper for the store to write it off than to sufficiently improve security. I think a misdemeanor for theft is fine, but I agree that these laws should be enforced.
Re:Californians aren’t leaving the state en masse but are le... by lumost on Saturday March 06, 2021 @10:54PM (#26372998)
It's unlikely that a shop would seek enforcement if it could result in a violent altercation and scare away customers. Likewise police are more likely to expect violence if they are only called in dire emergencies.
Re:Californians aren’t leaving the state en masse but are le... by aidenn0 on Sunday March 07, 2021 @01:16PM (#26378166)
I saw a 160lb security guard tackle a 90 lb woman who was probably in her 50s; that was freaky enough. I can't imagine one with resistance.
Re:Californians aren’t leaving the state en masse but are le... by ephextom on Sunday March 07, 2021 @02:56AM (#26374100)
A friend worked at a Macy's in Nevada for a few years. Staff were told that shoplifters should be assumed to be armed, and that security would not normally confront them. Staff would often stand by and let shoplifters walk out the door with big hauls of stuff. Large daily losses to theft were just budgeted for.
Re:Californians aren’t leaving the state en masse but are le... by klyrs on Saturday March 06, 2021 @10:47PM (#26372956)
The "social contract" doesn't serve those in poverty. What's there to lose? Freedom in exchange for three squares and a dry bed? The "law and order" approach sounds great if you're inclined to authoritarianism, but with the largest (absolute and per capita) prison population in the world, what's to show for it? We're a "Christian nation" when that means banning abortion and homosexuality or torturing Muslims, but Jesus would be appalled at how we approach charity, poverty, and forgiveness.
Re:Californians aren’t leaving the state en masse but are le... by systemvoltage on Saturday March 06, 2021 @08:32PM (#26372275)
Thanks for correction, I was wrong. I've corrected the post.