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Re:Chinese hacking spree hit an ‘astronomical’ number of vic... by baybal2 on Saturday March 06, 2021 @03:34PM (#26370320)
It wasn't even a belief in the first place.

I read a dozen books on post-Nixon US politics.

The amount of allegations from both sides of US politics that the other benefitted in the personal capacity from trade with China is staggering.

At least some of them must be genuine.

It comes to a very simple explanation that communists have indeed been influencing US politics for decades with very crude means, and that they were successful in that.

This is an embarrassing admission US has to do first before any recovery can be started.

Re:Chinese hacking spree hit an ‘astronomical’ number of vic... by jjcc on Saturday March 06, 2021 @05:23PM (#26371068)
I just happened to read a new article on "Moon Of Alabama". Then I realize there must be some debate on HN. I'm not disappointed

Here's what lead me to come back to HN:

https://www.moonofalabama.org/2021/03/is-china-hacking-rando...

Re:Chinese hacking spree hit an ‘astronomical’ number of vic... by AlexCoventry on Saturday March 06, 2021 @05:02PM (#26370931)
It'd be nice to see some supporting citations.
Re:Chinese hacking spree hit an ‘astronomical’ number of vic... by sudosysgen on Saturday March 06, 2021 @07:27PM (#26371891)
This is pretty insane mental gymnastics to rationalize the free market taking control of the US political apparatus as communism.

Like, actually impressive.

It has nothing to do with infiltration or influence. It's simply the basic structure of the American political system that, since its very founding (who was able to vote?) oriented the government into the facilitation of profit above all else.

That is actually the realization the US has to do, but it seems somehow even more embarrassing than the conclusion that the US government is infiltrated by commies, for some odd reason.

Re:Chinese hacking spree hit an ‘astronomical’ number of vic... by refenestrator on Saturday March 06, 2021 @04:29PM (#26370680)
The very simple explanation is that the USA is infiltrated by communists?
Re:Chinese hacking spree hit an ‘astronomical’ number of vic... by baybal2 on Saturday March 06, 2021 @04:41PM (#26370776)
In other words, yes. I avoided stating it this bluntly for it being almost a cartoon trope.

But... but one can't believe into any other explanation as any much credible.

Do hundreds of US political insiders lobby for China in one voice just for nothing?

You don't have closet communists, just a lot of very greedy, amoral, and easy to exploit power holders.

American legal system prohibits jailing people for anything but being caught red handed in cases of political corruption.

I have no idea what you can do about that without doing political persecution, but on other hand if you leave it be it will keep being exploited like hell.

Re:Chinese hacking spree hit an ‘astronomical’ number of vic... by chrischen on Saturday March 06, 2021 @05:23PM (#26371067)
> You don't have closet communists, just a lot of very greedy, amoral, and easy to exploit power holders.

Lol you’ve just described capitalists.

Re:Chinese hacking spree hit an ‘astronomical’ number of vic... by Proziam on Saturday March 06, 2021 @08:04PM (#26372117)
Actually, he just described people. Communist regimes have the exact same issues with corruption and greed.

Capitalism vs Communism is a useless debate if the will isn't there to hold the corrupt accountable and ensure that the average citizen is empowered (with said power secured both physically and legally.)

Re:Chinese hacking spree hit an ‘astronomical’ number of vic... by krona on Saturday March 06, 2021 @06:12PM (#26371400)
I think acquiring and consuming resources amorally predates capitalism by a few billion years.
Re:Chinese hacking spree hit an ‘astronomical’ number of vic... by sudosysgen on Saturday March 06, 2021 @07:23PM (#26371870)
Indeed it does, doing it in a system that allows the economic elite to direct the government into geopolitical disaster because they are largely unconcerned with the common good of their nation is really quite unique to capitalism.
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Re:Chinese hacking spree hit an ‘astronomical’ number of vic... by narism on Saturday March 06, 2021 @05:42PM (#26371192)
Nothing quite so dramatic. The US political system is rife with bribery/bribery-adjacent (ex: lobbying) activity and they are saying both sides have been influenced by this. For examples, see the 1996 Clinton campaign finance investigations and donations to Jeb Bush’s Super PAC. There is likely a lot more out there that we don’t know about hidden through donations funneled through non-profits.
Re:Chinese hacking spree hit an ‘astronomical’ number of vic... by cambalache on Sunday March 07, 2021 @12:33AM (#26373424)
Probably you are answering to a different comment, otherwise it makes absolutely no sense. In no shape, way or form have communists managed the internal or external American policy in the last 40 years, if ever.