Re:Honda's now selling the first production car with level 3...
by dm319 on Friday March 05, 2021 @08:56AM
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As a side note - I think humans should require retaking their test on a regular basis. Maybe every 5 years, and just a short 'refresher' test on the way home from work. It would help find those who simply can't drive safely anymore, and may dissuade others who don't think it's worth going through that process. It would also take a lot of stress and anxiety from the problem of families who know mildly-demented grandad really shouldn't be on the road because he can hardly see at night, but find it hard/impossible to actually do something about it.
Re:Honda's now selling the first production car with level 3...
by leetcrew on Friday March 05, 2021 @10:05AM
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there's a deeper problem here in the US. a large portion of the workforce needs to drive to work. a lot of these people are not very safe drivers, through some combination of incapability, unwillingness, or ignorance. it's hard to strike a good balance between keeping unsafe drivers off the road and not upending people's livelihoods.
Re:Honda's now selling the first production car with level 3...
by kmonsen on Friday March 05, 2021 @10:21AM
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Also the driving test is a joke in the first place so there are a ton of unsafe drivers.
Re:Honda's now selling the first production car with level 3...
by leetcrew on Friday March 05, 2021 @10:29AM
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I'm sure this varies state-to-state. I wouldn't say my driving test was a joke (in the sense of easy), but the hard parts had very little to do with driving safely. the whole thing took place in a parking lot at 5 mph. I failed the test my first two times because it was really difficult to perfectly parallel park my dad's massive truck.
I think it would be okay to make the initial test a little harder, and ideally more focused on real world driving safety. the real problem is if you let someone have a license, they plan their life around it, and then you yank the rug out from under them because they couldn't back up 100 feet in a straight line ten years later.
Re:Honda's now selling the first production car with level 3...
by j1dopeman on Friday March 05, 2021 @11:50AM
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In my state, the test never touches the highway or any busy roads so you don't have to learn how to merge, stay in your lane, drive at speed, etc. Actually most highways around explicitly prohibit permit holders. I personally know more than one person who had their first experience on the highway after they had a license and it was an absolute disaster. They were white knuckled, driving 20-30mph under the limit and every merge was a close call. I think the only thing they actually test is whether you can parallel park or not.
Re:Honda's now selling the first production car with level 3...
by brianwawok on Saturday March 06, 2021 @09:13AM
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In Indiana we went on the highway in drivers Ed, which had a speed limit of 55. Then we crossed for a day into Michigan because their state limit was 65. Indiana has since raised the state limit...
Re:Honda's now selling the first production car with level 3...
by fuzzer37 on Friday March 05, 2021 @10:34AM
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Maybe getting to work should be an incentive for practicing safe driving. You cant get to work if you crash your car either.
Re:Honda's now selling the first production car with level 3...
by leetcrew on Friday March 05, 2021 @10:46AM
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sure, that's not unreasonable. but with the current situation in the US, you would need to drastically expand welfare, public transit, or both if you really want to lean into the "driving is a privilege" idea.
The obvious answer is to apply AI to the entire system, not just the car navigating the road
* Is the driver paying attention, how much attention should they be paying verses the conditions?
* What is the environment like, how should I react, refuse to drive? Go slowly? Honk?
We already have self driving vehicles, they are called Mules. Why not make artificial mules instead of artificial pole position. The car should be an active participant, more of a copilot and than a blind automaton.
Self driving cars should be shown to have passed a repeatable rigorous adversarial gauntlet before being allowed on the road. And the individual cars should have to be re-certified every 6 months by retaking the test.