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Re:A reminder that you should double-check the licenses for ... by BugsJustFindMe on Thursday March 04, 2021 @02:24PM (#26346943)
> With the Katharos License we want to promote the openness, sharing, and collaboration that is common in the Open Source community, while at the same time protecting the people who may otherwise become victims of the destructive application of our shared works. We want the works that we share to be uplifting and helpful and we want them to be used to benefit people.

So adtech, spam farms, and extortion are A-OK, but no genitals. Channeling my inner Olsen, "You got it, dude."

Re:A reminder that you should double-check the licenses for ... by mannerheim on Thursday March 04, 2021 @02:29PM (#26347001)
The first two could qualify as 'mass surveillance and/or stealing of private information' depending how liberally that's interpreted. Extortion is already illegal, anyway (but then again, so are many of the prohibited activities in this license, although I suppose it's not illegal to simply 'support' them as this license prohibits).
Re:A reminder that you should double-check the licenses for ... by vkou on Thursday March 04, 2021 @02:38PM (#26347123)
Extortion is illegal, and yet, 'mugshot' businesses continue to operate in the open.
Re:A reminder that you should double-check the licenses for ... by gambiting on Thursday March 04, 2021 @03:42PM (#26347991)
Not to mention all sort of "review" websites where your company is suddenly flooded with extremely negative reviews and you get a helpful call from the website owner being like "hey, I see you got a lot of bad reviews, but don't worry, for only $5000 you can get our premium membership that lets you get them removed".

Ask me how I know.

Re:A reminder that you should double-check the licenses for ... by stareatgoats on Thursday March 04, 2021 @03:45PM (#26348030)
How do you know?
Re:A reminder that you should double-check the licenses for ... by gambiting on Thursday March 04, 2021 @04:35PM (#26348709)
Because it happened to my company. A "review your employer" website went from having few reviews of us to literally having few thousand reviews in a week(which in itself was a dead giweaway as we had maybe 50 employees total with 100 over the lifetime of the company), all extremely negative, but very simple and vague in content so you couldn't make a legal case against any one of them.

We took it to a lawyer but he said that it's clearly blackmail but it would be extremely hard to get any kind of judgement against it. We just ignored it and that company eventually folded and disappeared and the website with them, but I'm pretty sure it made hiring somewhat more difficult for a while.

Re:A reminder that you should double-check the licenses for ... by stareatgoats on Friday March 05, 2021 @03:40AM (#26354428)
OK thanks. Good to hear that the problem went away in your case.

I was interested since I believe we need the sort of quality-control that these review websites offer - the problem is the corruption of the review process that often (always?) takes place, and the crudeness of the review parameters. Google Pagerank (or whatever it is called nowadays) is not a satisfactory quality sifting tool.

Re:A reminder that you should double-check the licenses for ... by satokema_work on Thursday March 04, 2021 @02:32PM (#26347052)
its not stealing if people are giving that information out for free or if it's just metadata, nothing immoral there
Re:A reminder that you should double-check the licenses for ... by AlexandrB on Thursday March 04, 2021 @02:57PM (#26347365)
> its not stealing if people are giving that information out for free

If I leave a pie to cool on my windowsill and you take it it's still stealing even if there was no formal agreement or security measures in place to protect the pie.

Adtech is kind of like that. If I give a calendar app access to my contacts I certainly don't expect it to take that information and use it for tracking, targeting, and marketing purposes as well. For me to "give" you that information for free, you'd have to ask for it honestly. And yet Facebook - an ad tech company - has been fighting this kind of consent in the next iOS patch tooth-and-nail.

Re:A reminder that you should double-check the licenses for ... by a1369209993 on Thursday March 04, 2021 @05:14PM (#26349196)
> If I leave a pie to cool on my windowsill and you take it it's still stealing even if there was no formal agreement or security measures in place to protect the pie.

This is a excellent analogy, thank you.

Re:A reminder that you should double-check the licenses for ... by mannerheim on Thursday March 04, 2021 @02:34PM (#26347083)
Could be mass surveillance, depending on how liberally that's interpreted.
Re:A reminder that you should double-check the licenses for ... by airhead969 on Thursday March 04, 2021 @03:49PM (#26348078)
Isn't that the Office Space crime rationalization?
Re:A reminder that you should double-check the licenses for ... by tomxor on Thursday March 04, 2021 @03:25PM (#26347771)
I think it's meant as a joke... you need to read a bit further before you hit the "oh this is _supposed_ to be complete BS" part:

> The definition of what is "good" can be considered highly subjective [...blah blah] the definition of what is "good" and "pure", come from the Word of God, The Holy Bible. The Katharos License is based on the premise that the full 66 books of the Holy Bible are 100% true and inspired by God and that He alone is the ultimate authority for what is good and just.

Says it all really.

Re:A reminder that you should double-check the licenses for ... by ViViDboarder on Thursday March 04, 2021 @03:37PM (#26347923)
It’s not. This is on their website linked from the GitHub profile:

> Katharos Technology is a team that wants to make video games and other content and technology to the glory of God.

Re:A reminder that you should double-check the licenses for ... by serverholic on Thursday March 04, 2021 @03:43PM (#26348016)
Not a joke actually. Here's their About Us page https://katharostech.com/about-us
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Re:A reminder that you should double-check the licenses for ... by tehjoker on Thursday March 04, 2021 @03:12PM (#26347596)
The "except when required to protect public safety" clause renders that section inoperative because every political movement, army, and police force that uses violence will always characterize it as defensive and necessary no matter how obscene and criminal it is. That said, defensive struggle is a real thing, but difficult to enforce via license or even via Article II of the UN Charter.