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Re:Senators seek crackdown on "Bitcoin" currency by hugh3 on Wednesday June 08, 2011 @01:21PM (#2634071)
Sorry shareme, but this is pretty much a perfect example of a bad HN comment.

hmm so how will they outlaw bartering?

Unjustified logical leap.

But than again the derivative traders

Misspelling.

they are allowed to make free money and steal

Nonsensical accusation against a group of people engaged in an activity which I'm not sure you fully understand.

without any change..

Incomprehensible.

Please think before you type.

Re:Senators seek crackdown on "Bitcoin" currency by burgerbrain on Wednesday June 08, 2011 @02:50PM (#2634487)
As far as I can tell, the suggestion that they might as well soon go about outlawing bartering is a sound one. Neither bartering nor bitcoins use US minted currency, both cannot be traced unless the participants volunteer that information, and both arguably can be used for "tax evasion". I'm not trained in tax law, but it wouldn't really surprise me if legally citizens were mandated to report barters on their taxes.

Furthermore, both can be used to acquire drugs. Of course, bartering is at this point far more popular for that...

"Misspelling."

Seriously dude? This isn't slashdot.

Re:Senators seek crackdown on "Bitcoin" currency by hugh3 on Wednesday June 08, 2011 @04:29PM (#2634886)
As far as I can tell, the suggestion that they might as well soon go about outlawing bartering is a sound one. Neither bartering nor bitcoins use US minted currency, both cannot be traced unless the participants volunteer that information, and both arguably can be used for "tax evasion". I'm not trained in tax law, but it wouldn't really surprise me if legally citizens were mandated to report barters on their taxes.

The IRS, unsurprisingly, is way ahead of you on this one

http://www.irs.gov/taxtopics/tc420.html

and in fact you are obliged to report bartering income on your US taxes. Bartering, of course, remains perfectly legal, as long as you report it on your taxes.

Of course the IRS doesn't bother to enforce this on small-scale bartering. But if you set up a large-scale bartering network then they would. If you went one step further and threw in an intermediary system of "credits" so that transactions could take place indirectly (instead of swapping pigs for goats you swap pigs for credits and credits for goats) then they'd consider that as minting currency and take a rather dim view.

Re:Senators seek crackdown on "Bitcoin" currency by tsotha on Thursday June 09, 2011 @02:52AM (#2636273)
You used to be able to use casino chips in Vegas just like cash. You could pay for your meal with chips in a place totally unrelated to gambling. You could pay for your taxi ride in casino chips. Casinos would accept chips from other casinos without any problem.

Then the treasury dept. stepped in and forced them to stop. All that's in the past now.

Re:Senators seek crackdown on "Bitcoin" currency by wil2k on Wednesday June 08, 2011 @04:58PM (#2634997)
Re:Senators seek crackdown on "Bitcoin" currency by omouse on Wednesday June 08, 2011 @03:35PM (#2634664)
both arguably can be used for "tax evasion"

You can use US minted currency for tax evasion as well.

Re:Senators seek crackdown on "Bitcoin" currency by william42 on Wednesday June 08, 2011 @05:58PM (#2635185)
And that's illegal as well.
Re:Senators seek crackdown on "Bitcoin" currency by omouse on Thursday June 09, 2011 @03:39PM (#2638503)
So? It doesn't stop it from being done. Legality != prevention/deterrance.
Re:Senators seek crackdown on "Bitcoin" currency by burgerbrain on Wednesday June 08, 2011 @03:38PM (#2634680)
Exactly.
Re:Senators seek crackdown on "Bitcoin" currency by bxr on Wednesday June 08, 2011 @01:40PM (#2634152)
>which I'm not sure you fully understand.

Ah, condescension, now that is a perfect example of a typical HN comment.

Re:Senators seek crackdown on "Bitcoin" currency by tptacek on Wednesday June 08, 2011 @01:47PM (#2634176)
Is he wrong? How is he wrong?
Re:Senators seek crackdown on "Bitcoin" currency by cromulent on Wednesday June 08, 2011 @02:04PM (#2634251)
I don't think bxr is saying that hugh3 is wrong. He's saying that he is being condescending (although I'm not so sure this is typical). I guess hugh3 could have just said "Nonsensical accusation" and his point that it was "pretty much a perfect example of a bad HN comment" might have been even stronger without speculation on shareme's level of understanding of derivative trading.
Re:Senators seek crackdown on "Bitcoin" currency by tptacek on Wednesday June 08, 2011 @02:26PM (#2634354)
Sure, but 'hugh3 didn't write that comment to be mean. He's making an example out of something that really is an example of one of the archetypical thread-disrupting issue-forking politics-inducing conspiracy-theoretic superficial toxic comments. That's what I see there. You can obviously disagree.
Re:Senators seek crackdown on "Bitcoin" currency by cromulent on Wednesday June 08, 2011 @02:39PM (#2634428)
I actually think we are in agreement.
Re:Senators seek crackdown on "Bitcoin" currency by Helianthus on Wednesday June 08, 2011 @01:51PM (#2634194)
Ah, the snide counter to condescension, &etc.
Re:Senators seek crackdown on "Bitcoin" currency by mustpax on Wednesday June 08, 2011 @03:01PM (#2634539)
Let me add some nitpicking to complete the obnoxious HN trifecta. The proper ortographic representation of etc is &c. In fact, that's where the ampersand comes from (think ligature form of Et).
Re:Senators seek crackdown on "Bitcoin" currency by Helianthus on Wednesday June 08, 2011 @04:20PM (#2634848)
I appreciated this, actually. It's funny how just being in a negative tree gets you downvoted by association--good thing it's just karma, eh?
Re:Senators seek crackdown on "Bitcoin" currency by mustpax on Wednesday June 08, 2011 @04:51PM (#2634974)
To be fair, it's less that we're in a negative tree and more that we're not adding value to the discussion.
Re:Senators seek crackdown on "Bitcoin" currency by Helianthus on Wednesday June 08, 2011 @06:51PM (#2635327)
Yeah, but I didn't expect people to take it so _personally._

(Or maybe I do, but I unconsciously resent how serious we are and fight it by taking a few downvotes every so often.)