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Re:Godot maintainer removes controversial satirical piece fr... by matheusmoreira on Thursday March 04, 2021 @01:51AM (#26339423)
Why not simply allow that person to be offended? Why care? Is it necessary to capitulate to every complainer that shows up and claims your culture is offending them? Just let them complain about the santa hat. Hopefully as far away as possible.
Re:Godot maintainer removes controversial satirical piece fr... by _cs2017_ on Thursday March 04, 2021 @03:28AM (#26340055)
Because one SJW attacts ten more, and those attract a hundred more, then the media joins in, and then people start sending you and your colleagues threatening messages, doxxing you, and otherwise messing with your work and your community. And then instead of writing free software to do good for the world, you spend your time defending yourself from the trash of the world.

So the pragmatic strategy is to surrender early, when the cost of surrender is still small (just your own shame of yielding to evil people).

Re:Godot maintainer removes controversial satirical piece fr... by jay_kyburz on Thursday March 04, 2021 @04:13AM (#26340308)
This is why we need to reject extremism in all its forms on both the left and the right.

We need to end cancel culture, not capitulate.

Re:Godot maintainer removes controversial satirical piece fr... by wizzwizz4 on Thursday March 04, 2021 @04:25AM (#26340376)
Or you could just never defend yourself. The people who don't like it will stop using your software. If the criticism was actually reasonable, and you chose to ignore it, maybe that'll backfire on you. If it was unreasonable, it'll blow over; you're not engaging with it, so there's no story.
Re:Godot maintainer removes controversial satirical piece fr... by TeMPOraL on Thursday March 04, 2021 @04:47AM (#26340507)
That works if you're a CEO of a company and don't have shareholders to respond to, or your shareholders also think alike.

If you're a lowly employee with a family, doing some open source or blogging or whatnot on the side, and that side activity attracts the wrath of professional victims? You're suddenly in risk of significantly derailing your life (and that of your family!), possibly damaging it permanently. So you capitulate, just to survive.

Re:Godot maintainer removes controversial satirical piece fr... by wizzwizz4 on Thursday March 04, 2021 @04:50AM (#26340521)
This is why you be pseudonymous. If you're a bigot, it doesn't really help you (people will still stop using your stuff, and your pseudonym will gain a bad reputation), but it protects you from short-term reputation hits due to misunderstandings (like this one).
Re:Godot maintainer removes controversial satirical piece fr... by _cs2017_ on Thursday March 04, 2021 @09:37AM (#26342966)
Sure, if you ignore them, and if you're not a big juicy target, the twisted zealots will eventually leave you alone. But who knows how much rot and corruption they will spread before they lose interest? And even if you can handle getting hate mail, or having your name plastered all around the internet with a cross-hair on it, what if it happens to your family, your collaborators, your employees, your employer, your customers?
Re:Godot maintainer removes controversial satirical piece fr... by wizzwizz4 on Thursday March 04, 2021 @09:54AM (#26343155)
You're acting like they're evil. They're not hunting for “big juicy targets”; they're trying to solve societal problems, and are working off the model that there are a lot of charismatic abusers out there, so people defending their actions should be treated with incredible suspicion. (In general, that's a bad attitude to have… but the harm of believing an abuser can be pretty high, so I'm not even saying they're wrong to take that stance by default, given how often they need it.)

If you're not charismatic – you don't try to defend yourself – they'll run through their investigation and find something or find nothing, and then give a fairly fair verdict (or as fair as anything on Twitter ever is).

In this case, the author could've engaged, probably, and said something like:

> This was actually meant to be sarcastic; you're meant to notice how unreasonable it is, and disagree with the narrator, but the narrator doesn't represent my views, which are [XYZ]. Your advice would be good, if I actually agreed with what I'd written, but the point is that it's outlandish and bad, because I'm calling out attitudes in the game industry.

> The feature I'm documenting there is usually used for bad. Your suggestions would be good ones, if I actually believed in that bad, but I don't. Do you have any ideas for how to make it more obviously sarcastic?

I think the author probably missed the boat on this, though; the Twitter mob grows quickly.

Re:Godot maintainer removes controversial satirical piece fr... by SilverRed on Thursday March 04, 2021 @05:58PM (#26349713)
Lets remind ourselves that the original post in question is simply calling out in app purchases as evil corporate tools for extracting money.

The person who tried to warp this in to a social issue because they didn't like that they were being called out for using IAPs (being an abuser themselves really), is evil. This person is a harm to society.

Re:Godot maintainer removes controversial satirical piece fr... by wizzwizz4 on Friday March 05, 2021 @07:21AM (#26356019)
Unless we're looking at different tweets, the person to tried to warp it into a social issue completely missed the sarcasm.

If they had the intention you think they had? Evil. But I didn't get that from reading the archive.is link upthread.

Re:Godot maintainer removes controversial satirical piece fr... by selfhoster11 on Thursday March 04, 2021 @05:59AM (#26340948)
And then the word gets back to your employer, or your potential future employers. Suddenly you find yourself on thin ice for an indeterminate period of time.

No, thanks. I'd just rather my online persona is squeaky-clean under my real name, and anything controversial (oh, I don't know, like holding even one opinion that's got a potential to become controversial a year or two down the line) is under a pseudonym.

Re:Godot maintainer removes controversial satirical piece fr... by marcus_holmes on Thursday March 04, 2021 @03:26AM (#26340040)
This. Just uninstall Twitter and let them rant and rave to their heart's content.

It really doesn't matter if you don't listen to it.

Unfortunately a lot of people do, and some people that matter do. I hope this will change.

Re:Godot maintainer removes controversial satirical piece fr... by selfhoster11 on Thursday March 04, 2021 @06:02AM (#26340966)
Hope your employer has a strong free-speech culture (how does that even work in the post-Trump era where the term "free speech" is becoming squicky to associate with, I wonder?) or you're self-employed with clients that don't mind SJW outrage.
Re:Godot maintainer removes controversial satirical piece fr... by marcus_holmes on Thursday March 04, 2021 @07:48AM (#26341660)
yeah, exactly. There are "people who matter" who pay attention to Twitter, and their opinion may be influenced by dogpiles.

But if you don't have that, then (I have found) it's easy to ignore.

Re:Godot maintainer removes controversial satirical piece fr... by codr7 on Thursday March 04, 2021 @03:27AM (#26340045)
Because that's not how it works anymore, they will make it their primary purpose in life to cancel you to hell and back.
Re:Godot maintainer removes controversial satirical piece fr... by hertzrat on Thursday March 04, 2021 @02:25PM (#26346947)
I watched a YouTube video by somebody who was the target of these attacks and he admitted that he started waking up feeling so numb from stress that he couldn’t move and once soiled his bed because he couldn’t get up. The level of stress and how his business relationships and family members were targeted was unbelievable. You can’t just ignore how offended they get
Re:Godot maintainer removes controversial satirical piece fr... by Qwertious on Thursday March 04, 2021 @09:07AM (#26342597)
>Why not simply allow that person to be offended? Why care?

From a business standpoint: They've shown they're willing to make a scene, while simultaneously making it just controversial enough that you can justify pulling it down (and therefore averting the issue) without major loss of face.

In other words, nobody's primary business is controversial documentation.

Re:Godot maintainer removes controversial satirical piece fr... by aaronfranke on Thursday March 04, 2021 @04:48AM (#26340513)
Because the world today is not the world of yesterday. A capitalist oligarchy runs the world and forces us to consume in order to keep the gears of this rotten society on track.
Re:Godot maintainer removes controversial satirical piece fr... by necovek on Thursday March 04, 2021 @07:02AM (#26341340)
Not a full hit of on-topic, but I appreciate that you quote from the satirical piece in question (and I imagine you got down-voted by people who didn't read the OP, or who had this fly over their head).