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Re:The Dangerous Mr. Khan by DrCatbox on Wednesday June 08, 2011 @12:35PM (#2633825)
Even if history is presented as a perspective, why choose Khans perspective? Why not choose another perspective?

You missed the bigger picture of the article, which is that a single entity never should control re-telling of events. There should not be one perspective. One person, one entity, can not provide different perspectives, due to echo chamber effects and such, it is almost impossible.

Re:The Dangerous Mr. Khan by chc on Wednesday June 08, 2011 @02:02PM (#2634241)
Isn't this kind of a straw man? Salman Khan is not a fascist dictator who prevents you from getting information anywhere else. He's just a teacher. I don't see how learning from him is more of a problem than learning from other teacher.
Re:The Dangerous Mr. Khan by pjscott on Wednesday June 08, 2011 @03:09PM (#2634579)
You could make your point even stronger: since the barriers to entry on the internet are so low, it has the potential to be a lot less intellectually constraining than an ordinary classroom, where typically there will be one teacher, with standardized lesson plans, teaching from a relentlessly bland textbook that passed through the censors in Texas and California.
Re:The Dangerous Mr. Khan by jwhite on Wednesday June 08, 2011 @10:07PM (#2635703)
But the Internet also has a significant winner-take-all character at the large end of the spectrum, due to network effects. See Facebook vs. MySpace and all the other social network carcasses in its wake. Mr. Khan's teaching videos might end up being the one-and-only source of education on the Internet. What then?
Re:The Dangerous Mr. Khan by lurker19 on Thursday June 09, 2011 @01:13AM (#2636084)
Then you can make your own better video and YouTube or Khan itself will host if for free and show that what you were afraid of is not actually possible and the social networking analogy does not hold up under cursory analysis.
Re:The Dangerous Mr. Khan by afterburner on Wednesday June 08, 2011 @02:55PM (#2634508)
The complaint is that he seems to be getting attention from a major donator and source of influence, which might get his "lessons" far more play than any random teacher. Which is a problem for the author since he feels the quality of the lessons is low.

I agree with him; these look like "make me look not stupid in casual conversation" lessons, they don't seem to impart a real understanding of history, of these major events and what impact they have on the present world.

Re:The Dangerous Mr. Khan by kstenerud on Wednesday June 08, 2011 @03:29PM (#2634648)
And does anyone with a high school level education in history even understand WHY the archduke of Austria was assassinated? Or WHY none of the powers at the time could pull out of the resulting domino effect? Or the onerous terms of the treaty after the first war? Or the discontent it sowed, leaving fertile ground for a dictator to emerge? Without this context, how could WW2 ever be understood? And even this is glossing over a lot of important stuff, such as the various nations' foreign policy, public sentiment, local politics, and how it affected pretty much every operation of the war.

Who even remembers operation Market Garden or why it was significant?

Does anyone even know why and how bombing of metropolitan centers even started? Of course not! Easier to say goodies vs baddies and forget the details.

History is already taught without any useful context in school. It's rendered so dry and boring and detached from humanity that I'm surprised ANY learning happens at all.

Khan is doing very high level, very loose connections at the moment which, I'll admit, contain even less information than the school system pulp. However, I'd be interested in seeing how deep he goes with subsequent videos before passing judgment.

Re:The Dangerous Mr. Khan by younata on Wednesday June 08, 2011 @03:47PM (#2634711)
Archduke was incredibly disliked by the people he was governing. Why none pulled out is a mystery to me. The terms basically crippled Germany until they decided to call the allies' bluff.

I have yet to take a college level history course, so I probably have errors.

Re:The Dangerous Mr. Khan by afterburner on Thursday June 09, 2011 @04:10PM (#2638629)
Yup, he could very well address this with more in depth videos, this being the super-quick overview so people can form a loose structure in their head.
Re:The Dangerous Mr. Khan by lurker19 on Thursday June 09, 2011 @01:18AM (#2636090)
It is a 15-minute video. That leaves approximately 99.995% of a viewer's life free to dig a little deeper into the subject matter. The quality contest is not Khan vs a Ph.D program in history, it is Khan vs Insane Clown Posse. Khan wins.
Re:The Dangerous Mr. Khan by natural219 on Wednesday June 08, 2011 @01:11PM (#2634020)
Should we teach different things to different children, then, in order to promote educational diversity?
Re:The Dangerous Mr. Khan by dendory on Wednesday June 08, 2011 @02:02PM (#2634242)
It's a matter of perspective and what is said and isn't said. Consider these 2 accounts of the same event:

- The US Forces battle terrorist extremists to bring peace to the country, remove lethal weapons and pave the way for the first western-style democratic election.

versus

- After decades of war, in which two world powers, Russia and America, secretly sent arms and weapons to the country to fight their proxy wars, and then America bringing their own troops in, the natives now use those same weapons to try and defeat the invader and preserve their traditions.

Re:The Dangerous Mr. Khan by saraid216 on Wednesday June 08, 2011 @01:16PM (#2634048)
That smells like a rhetorical question. But my answer would be yes.
Re:The Dangerous Mr. Khan by troutwine on Wednesday June 08, 2011 @01:50PM (#2634191)
Interesting; can you elaborate? Surely it would be folly, say, to teach some children _wrong_ things simply for diversity. I doubt this is what you advocate, no?
Re:The Dangerous Mr. Khan by afy on Wednesday June 08, 2011 @03:07PM (#2634566)
In mathematics there is a well defined right and wrong, but in history there are often competing viewpoints of which none can be dismissed easily. I would say that to pick one as true and discard all the others is folly.
Re:The Dangerous Mr. Khan by lurker19 on Thursday June 09, 2011 @01:36AM (#2636132)
There are still many approaches to teaching mathematics, of varying and debating quality, so many of these concerns still apply. Math teaching is not a commodity we can simply stockpile using contributions from whoever tosses a bit in the kitty.
Re:The Dangerous Mr. Khan by rosser on Wednesday June 08, 2011 @01:51PM (#2634193)
Why not choose as many perspectives as you possibly can? If human history (in the small-h sense, not the kind being argued about in TFA) is any kind of reliable guide, the truth will probably be somewhere betwixt all of them.