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Re:A Cephalopod Has Passed a Cognitive Test Designed for Hum... by lurquer on Wednesday March 03, 2021 @01:23PM (#26332406)
> I think folks in modern times are less & less prone to thinking animals are ‘dumb’. But 1 or 2 generations ago this was not the case. I think humans for a long time have regarded animal intelligence in an inferior light.

Great post. Respectfully, though, I disagree with the excerpt above.

I find that urbanization has led to a disconnect between people and animals. In times past, a person would have regular contact with a host of domesticated animals (cattle, horses, mules, donkeys, sheep, goat, chickens, pigs, etc.) as well as the wild animals that are a part of everyday life in rural settings (rodents, possums, armadillos, foxes, coyotes, snakes, deer, birds, etc.)

Without question, people in the past had a far greater appreciation of the ‘intelligence’ and behavior of animals than modern city-dwellers.

One need look no further than the numerous metaphors that have been passed down from these non-urban times: stubborn as a mule, wise as serpents, cunning like a fox, horse-sense, wise as an owl, etc...

In short, I’d suggest that the more modern (or, perhaps, urbanized is a better word) the LESS appreciation one finds for animal intelligence.

Re:A Cephalopod Has Passed a Cognitive Test Designed for Hum... by RikNieu on Wednesday March 03, 2021 @01:47PM (#26332675)
I have family who still live a pretty rural life, close to nature. They care very little about animals compared to my urban friends and family. They view animals as little more than "moving things" or simply food.
Re:A Cephalopod Has Passed a Cognitive Test Designed for Hum... by lurquer on Wednesday March 03, 2021 @02:21PM (#26333079)
You may be mixing apples and oranges...

The degree of ‘compassion’ one has toward an animal is not directly correlated to one’s opinions as to its intelligence.

My uncle raised pigs. A frequent topic of conversation was how smart they are. Without question, they’re smarter than dogs. (I had a pet pig growing up.)

Yet, we ate then.

An even more brutal example: slavery. It was obvious and undeniable that human slaves were intelligent; yet, that didn’t mean that compassion towards them was common.

Re:A Cephalopod Has Passed a Cognitive Test Designed for Hum... by RikNieu on Thursday March 04, 2021 @01:18AM (#26339240)
Fair point. Interesting that human beings can keep those separated.
Re:A Cephalopod Has Passed a Cognitive Test Designed for Hum... by ldng on Wednesday March 03, 2021 @01:56PM (#26332798)
> One need look no further than the numerous metaphors that have been passed down from these non-urban times: stubborn as a mule, wise as serpents, cunning like a fox, horse-sense, wise as an owl, etc...

Are you sure that comes from nature observation ?

Satire used to criticize the powerful of the world picturing them as animals. So these associations might not come from where you think they do. La Fontaine's fables are a good example of that. He was not the only one to do that.

Re:A Cephalopod Has Passed a Cognitive Test Designed for Hum... by lurquer on Wednesday March 03, 2021 @02:17PM (#26333023)
I have firsthand knowledge of the sayings in regard to mules, horses, and foxes. They are very accurate.

Never thought snakes were that ‘wise’ though. Don’t know about owls.