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Re:Your Thinking Rate Is Fixed by sombremesa on Monday March 01, 2021 @04:52PM (#26308951)
> Thinking is a process of considering options and reaching a conclusion.

Okay, let's take this definition of thinking as our basis. Presumably, a chess grand master is able to do this faster than a novice.

However, by your own argument, you're also calling this an absence of thinking. So, which is it?

Re:Your Thinking Rate Is Fixed by karmakaze on Monday March 01, 2021 @05:12PM (#26309159)
A chess grandmaster knows better than to consider every option to the same depth. Pruning is choosing what not to think about. I wouldn't expect grandmasters improve by increasing their positions evaluated/second throughout their career.
Re:Your Thinking Rate Is Fixed by myownpetard on Monday March 01, 2021 @06:28PM (#26309952)
As an amateur chess player (2000/rapid/lichess) I wouldn't say the speed or amount of thinking I do has changed as I've gotten better in terms of the number of moves I evaluate. In fact it feels like I frequently think less now than when I was worse.

My brain has compressed/chunked patterns so that I can immediately see what the optimal move or set of candidate moves are instead of having to determine them more computationally.

I'm not sure how that fits into the framework of this article. Something like the number of calculations remains static but total work done per calculation increases.

Much of the debate in this comment thread is a result of these concepts being fuzzily defined in the article itself.

Re:Your Thinking Rate Is Fixed by xyzzy123 on Monday March 01, 2021 @06:42PM (#26310065)
You memoized some of the computation.

"Think rate is fixed" glosses over activities with compounding returns. Learning!

Better abstractions and heuristics can have an enormous impact on problem solving efficiency.

First-principles thinking is a powerful hammer, but it's expensive. Over-use it and you'll get nothing done. Under-use it, and you'll do nothing original. Knowing where to use it is the trick, and that's _also_ a skill that can be improved over time.

Re:Your Thinking Rate Is Fixed by millstone on Monday March 01, 2021 @10:33PM (#26311613)
Chess GMs certainly prune better, but can also evaluate moves faster because they can easily hold multiple boards in their head. It's common for strong GMs to play 10+ blindfold simul games. Nakamura solving chess puzzles is a sight to see.
Re:Your Thinking Rate Is Fixed by eyelidlessness on Monday March 01, 2021 @11:21PM (#26311878)
How is knowing what to prune not thought?
Re:Your Thinking Rate Is Fixed by karmakaze on Tuesday March 02, 2021 @10:19AM (#26316155)
Sometimes it is, then it would be thinking in this context. Other times it's pattern matching which isn't analytical thinking.
Re:Your Thinking Rate Is Fixed by eyelidlessness on Tuesday March 02, 2021 @10:31AM (#26316278)
I’m still having a hard time understanding the distinction. How is pattern matching not thinking?
Re:Your Thinking Rate Is Fixed by karmakaze on Tuesday March 02, 2021 @04:24PM (#26320990)
This distinction is captured in "Thinking Fast and Slow"

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Thinking,_Fast_and_Slow

Re:Your Thinking Rate Is Fixed by bluefirebrand on Monday March 01, 2021 @05:13PM (#26309162)
Doing less thinking to reach a conclusion quickly isn't the same thing as thinking faster.

It's a meaningful distinction because there are physical and mental costs (calories and stress) to trying to "think faster" that don't accrue the same when making decisions based on learnings.

Re:Your Thinking Rate Is Fixed by sombremesa on Monday March 01, 2021 @05:27PM (#26309323)
You've abandoned "thinking is a process of considering options and reaching a conclusion" now.

> making decisions based on learnings

This is the ONLY type of thinking there is. Ergo, you can 'think faster' for any given discipline with practice.

Re:Your Thinking Rate Is Fixed by bluefirebrand on Monday March 01, 2021 @05:58PM (#26309668)
> You've abandoned "thinking is a process of considering options and reaching a conclusion" now

This is a big claim to make without any explanation of why you think that.

I'm forced to conclude you're not discussing in good faith. Bye.

Re:Your Thinking Rate Is Fixed by sombremesa on Monday March 01, 2021 @10:28PM (#26311591)
If the process of considering options and reaching the correct conclusion concludes faster and that is our definition of thinking, it should follow that the thinking is faster. Somewhere in your last comment you must've pivoted your definition, because you described it rather as thinking 'less' and saying that it is NOT the same thing as thinking faster. That's perfectly fine, of course, but it left me confused as to what definition you were now using.

It's a shame you've decided to abandon the argument.

Re:Your Thinking Rate Is Fixed by Kbelicius on Tuesday March 02, 2021 @05:22AM (#26313769)
> If the process of considering options and reaching the correct conclusion concludes faster and that is our definition of thinking, it should follow that the thinking is faster.

That doesn't follow because once you've mastered something you consider less options to reach a conclusion than a novice. One reaches the correct conclusion whit less thinking, not faster thinking.

Following your logic a person taking a shortcut from point A to point B is doing the same amount of driving as somebody not taking the shortcut, they are just driving faster.