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Re:Users are losing out against Big Sur’s sealed System by santamex on Sunday February 28, 2021 @01:16PM (#26295568)
Imagine the environmental impact of this design decision. 2-3gb download. Installation time of half an hour. Millions of macs. Crazy.
Re:Users are losing out against Big Sur’s sealed System by katbyte on Sunday February 28, 2021 @01:33PM (#26295763)
Imagine the environmental impact of downloading all dependencies in a large project every CI run? and running it every commit of a pr? sometimes totalling in multi gigabyes. Crazy.

If your going to apply that logic, take a closer look at a lot of build chains out there.

Re:Users are losing out against Big Sur’s sealed System by throwsdadsd on Sunday February 28, 2021 @01:58PM (#26296009)
This is whataboutism.

There is no way Apple's own development process was so wasteful as the waste they will bring to the millions of their own users.

If anything, the moment a company notices waste it goes towards reducing it.

Re:Users are losing out against Big Sur’s sealed System by wnoise on Sunday February 28, 2021 @03:52PM (#26296963)
Yes, that's bad too.
Re:Users are losing out against Big Sur’s sealed System by InvertedRhodium on Sunday February 28, 2021 @05:12PM (#26297597)
This is why we have local cache.
Re:Users are losing out against Big Sur’s sealed System by buildbot on Sunday February 28, 2021 @02:10PM (#26296107)
It’s actually basically nothing if you do the math… Let’s assume 50 million macs for a half hour at an average wattage of 20W TDP, wolfram alpha tells me worth that’s 360 metric tons of co2 , or about 24 USA citizens worth of co2 for a year. 24 <<< 300 million people in the USA, apple isn’t having much impact. I’d argue windows would be far worse anyway…
Re:Users are losing out against Big Sur’s sealed System by stevenhuang on Sunday February 28, 2021 @03:21PM (#26296684)
That's just one update.

Multiply that for every week throughout the lifetime of a mac and the benefits of delta updates are clear.

Re:Users are losing out against Big Sur’s sealed System by read_if_gay_ on Sunday February 28, 2021 @03:51PM (#26296949)
Building a 13" MBP produces ~200kg of CO2[1]. Taking GP's 50 million figure we get 10 billion tons of CO2. Very generously assume each one gets 1000 updates, you end up with 360,000 tons of CO2 total for all of these updates, or about 0.0036% of the cost of building them in the first place.

There are actual benefits to delta updates but the environmental impact isn't one of them.

[1] https://www.apple.com/environment/pdf/products/notebooks/13-...

Re:Users are losing out against Big Sur’s sealed System by Someone on Sunday February 28, 2021 @04:40PM (#26297338)
Do Macs see a multi-gigabyte update each week? I haven’t noticed that. What do I overlook?
Re:Users are losing out against Big Sur’s sealed System by mr_toad on Sunday February 28, 2021 @09:23PM (#26299066)
MacOS isn’t updated every week, or even every month.
Re:Users are losing out against Big Sur’s sealed System by brobinson on Sunday February 28, 2021 @03:49PM (#26296931)
The environmental impact of this decision is nothing compared to this one: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=26296339

(and the linked one is trivial to fix!)