Ismail al-Jazari – the medieval 'Father of Robotics'

Re:Ismail al-Jazari – the medieval 'Father of Robotics' by 2Gkashmiri on Sunday February 28, 2021 @12:40PM (#26295141)

no. You are not answering my question. you are simply saying dont blame ghazali. My question is, what caused the death of "desire for scientific temper" and economic conditions do not change someones quest for knowledge or for that matter, influence an entire population away from science who took to avoid it like the plague. I had this talk with a guy last week and when i mentioned ghazali, he said something on the lines of "are you talking about his first phase or second phase?" then when i showed him this quote, this person goes "yes. obviously his first phase. in his second phase he rejected his earlier texts and even started learning the same thing he rejected earlier but the damage was done".

You cant just tell a population to reject a way of thinking but apparently someone did manage to do that

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Re:Ismail al-Jazari – the medieval 'Father of Robotics' by artem247 on Sunday February 28, 2021 @01:02PM (#26295384)

>> economic conditions do not change someones quest for knowledge

In my country science almost ceased to exist after the fall of Soviet Union. So economic conditions do play a role. The western Age of Reason in XVIII also has relationship to complex changes in the society - rise of merchant class, acceptance of usury, etc. And I would say that "whole population avoids science like a plague" would be a strong overstatement more echoing the modern view on Islamic countries with strong Salafi influence.

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Re:Ismail al-Jazari – the medieval 'Father of Robotics' by heavenlyblue on Sunday February 28, 2021 @04:51PM (#26297428)

I would like to see what the OP would do if they were suddenly forced to live in the Stone Age. Would they spend time doing philosophising or restoring the civilisation and actually feeding themselves?

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Re:Ismail al-Jazari – the medieval 'Father of Robotics' by 2Gkashmiri on Monday March 01, 2021 @11:22AM (#26304323)

imagine living in the stone age and finding yourself in ancient greece meeting a madman named plato and socrates

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Re:Ismail al-Jazari – the medieval 'Father of Robotics' by heavenlyblue on Wednesday March 03, 2021 @05:04AM (#26326555)

We're speaking of the degradation of our living conditions to the Stone Age, not an actual time travel into the past.

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Re:Ismail al-Jazari – the medieval 'Father of Robotics' by andrepd on Sunday February 28, 2021 @07:27PM (#26298453)

> economic conditions do not change someones quest for knowledge

Come on... are you for real? You're telling me that subsistence farmers should have the same "thirst for knowledge" as scholars in a rich economic and cultural centre of an empire? Of course economic conditions matter! Some people are even of the opinion that they're the only things that matter.

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Re:Ismail al-Jazari – the medieval 'Father of Robotics' by selimthegrim on Sunday February 28, 2021 @01:53PM (#26295966)

Mongol invasions, Hulagu and Ibn Taymiyyah probably had as big a role. Albiruni in Punjab and Ibn Shatir in Damascus made fine contributions which are just not studied in Islamiyat classes because everyone thinks of glory in terms of Alauddin Khliji/Ziauddin Barni or Aurangzeb Alamgir/Shah Waliullah instead of building universities, observatories etc

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