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Re:Griddy Is Shutting Down by wmf on Saturday February 27, 2021 @12:47AM (#26282971)
Shorting electricity? Hear me out, it's like Robinhood for Enron.
Re:Griddy Is Shutting Down by Nemo_bis on Saturday February 27, 2021 @03:55AM (#26283596)
See Matt Levine:

> The people signing contracts to buy Texas electricity at wholesale prices were doing so to economize. In some theoretical sense they accepted higher price volatility in exchange for usually lower prices, but in a much more practical sense they wanted the usually lower prices and couldn’t afford the higher price volatility. And then when prices rose they were wiped out.

> But the Griddy stories suggest that there’s something to it. It turns out to be really easy to accidentally engage in risky financial speculation, to somehow make disastrous bets on spot power markets in your monthly utility bill because it’s simple to sign up. If life is a constant series of high-stakes financial gambles anyway, perhaps it is tempting to choose some of your gambles on purpose.

https://www.bloomberg.com/opinion/articles/2021-02-22/electr...

Re:Griddy Is Shutting Down by nonfamous on Saturday February 27, 2021 @10:56AM (#26285613)
And it’s not about the “dumb poors” either. I’m a data scientist and and I signed up for a variable-rate plan like this when I used to live in Chicago. I watched my electricity consumption closely, and diligently reduced my consumption via home automation when I got alerts about price spikes. I thought it was great, and I saved money. (Charging the Tesla overnight was basically free.) I figured there might be periods where things were 2x or 3x more expensive than usual, and I could absorb such costs.

But I never in my wildest dreams imagined that rates would shoot to 100x normal values for days on end. The very claims of “it’s market driven!” made me think that was impossible - how could any efficient market sustain such prices?

Realizing now that I dodged a bullet.

Re:Griddy Is Shutting Down by salawat on Saturday February 27, 2021 @05:04AM (#26283833)
The Internet, and tech in particular, has completely changed the business sphere by throwing out that whole "meeting of the minds" concept that was taken for necessary in any contractual relationship.

In the past, one could count on their hands and feet the number of contracts that one would enter into over one's life.

Now? There's so much churn that the act of accepting is more a ritual or formality. One that sadly has the capability to take advantage of a lot of people due to information asymmetry.

Re:Griddy Is Shutting Down by TeMPOraL on Saturday February 27, 2021 @05:38AM (#26283925)
> In the past, one could count on their hands and feet the number of contracts that one would enter into over one's life.

More recently - and still IMO OK - maybe you entered into more than 20 contracts in your life, but you were unlikely to have 20 contracts ongoing simultaneously. Today? I don't even know how many contracts or pseudo-contracts I'm involved in, but its in dozens.

That's my biggest reason I started to avoid SaaS and subscriptions as much as I can. Because every service you subscribe to is a relationship you enter, that you now have to manage, keep in mind. These add up quickly.

Re:Griddy Is Shutting Down by AniseAbyss on Saturday February 27, 2021 @05:04AM (#26283836)
Lets be real when you are poor you're trying to make it through the month on your paycheck.
Re:Griddy Is Shutting Down by Nemo_bis on Saturday February 27, 2021 @05:20AM (#26283877)
So maybe you shouldn't sell high-risk financial products to poor people under the guise of an electricity contract.
Re:Griddy Is Shutting Down by supertrope on Sunday February 28, 2021 @01:40AM (#26291184)
This is America. We make the sick and injured pay thousands of dollars through the innovation of high deductible health insurance (sometimes upfront!)
Re:Griddy Is Shutting Down by tedunangst on Saturday February 27, 2021 @12:58AM (#26283013)
There should be a tie in with nextdoor so you can outbid your neighbor for their electricity.
Re:Griddy Is Shutting Down by airhead969 on Saturday February 27, 2021 @10:03AM (#26285252)
Better put a fuse or GFCI on that.

I remember the Cal ISO rolling blackouts of 2000-2001.