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Re:The U.S. Air Force just admitted the F-35 stealth fighter... by JamesBarney on Thursday February 25, 2021 @11:43AM (#26264777)
For the other side "No, it’s not The Incentives—it’s you"

https://www.talyarkoni.org/blog/2018/10/02/no-its-not-the-in...

Re:The U.S. Air Force just admitted the F-35 stealth fighter... by bumby on Thursday February 25, 2021 @12:21PM (#26265287)
Interesting read, thank you.

There’s a distinction to be made between excusing bad behavior, but rather they explaining it. The article seems focused on the former, I’m more interested in the latter.

There are intrinsic and extrinsic incentives. I think the important part not touched upon is that for those actors extrinsically motivated (e.g., status, money, etc.) the system incentive will influence behavior much more than those more affected by intrinsic motivations.

The article is right that extrinsic motivations don’t excuse immoral behavior but when morals are lacking external controls are still needed. Developing the right extrinsic incentives provides guardrails for those who tend to lack intrinsic motivation that align. The article seems to think the solution is to “just act morally” which works at the individual level but that’s not really a policy at a system level (especially once we acknowledge everyone doesn’t share the same goals/motivations/morals)

Re:The U.S. Air Force just admitted the F-35 stealth fighter... by HelloMcFly on Thursday February 25, 2021 @03:47PM (#26268080)
I don't really see it as "the other side". Identifying root cause of behavior is critical to modifying it. The "don't blame the mouse" saying is simplified; scientists (as in this article) live in a more complex world. Just because we can understand what led to a set of behavior for scientists, or others, doesn't mean they have no accountability for their actions, but it usually does mean there is a systemic problem that requires a systemic solution, otherwise we'll only ever be treating the symptoms.