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Re:Toshiba Unveils First FC-MAMR HDD: 18 TB, Helium Filled by mschuster91 on Wednesday February 24, 2021 @11:50AM (#26252124)
Fascinating - I had expected helium to be a larger molecule than hydrogen.
Re:Toshiba Unveils First FC-MAMR HDD: 18 TB, Helium Filled by Denvercoder9 on Wednesday February 24, 2021 @12:00PM (#26252300)
The given value for hydrogen is for hydrogen gas (i.e. Hâ‚‚), while helium is just a single atom.
Re:Toshiba Unveils First FC-MAMR HDD: 18 TB, Helium Filled by tyingq on Wednesday February 24, 2021 @12:07PM (#26252409)
That's what you would expect, though. Helium gas is "He1", hydrogen gas is "H2".
Re:Toshiba Unveils First FC-MAMR HDD: 18 TB, Helium Filled by meepmorp on Wednesday February 24, 2021 @03:33PM (#26255431)
I think that was their point: hydrogen gas is diatomic, so it makes intuitive sense for it to be larger than helium
Re:Toshiba Unveils First FC-MAMR HDD: 18 TB, Helium Filled by tyingq on Wednesday February 24, 2021 @11:54AM (#26252189)
There's a detailed explanation here: https://chemistry.stackexchange.com/questions/115363/is-a-hy...

Edit: Oops. Still relevant since it's H2 in play here, but yes, not hyrdrogen vs helium.

Re:Toshiba Unveils First FC-MAMR HDD: 18 TB, Helium Filled by phildenhoff on Wednesday February 24, 2021 @12:14PM (#26252525)
I think that explanation is only about Hydrogen molecules and hydrogen atoms, not Hydrogen vs. Helium.

There's a free textbook available here [1] that explains that atomic sizes decrease across the periodic table and increase down. In short, it decreases across a horizontal period because more electrons are in the same orbital shell (really a cloud), increasing the negative nuclear charge of the cloud, which is more attractive to the positive atomic nucleus, so the whole cloud is squeezed together, making the whole atom smaller.

[1]: https://chem.libretexts.org/Bookshelves/General_Chemistry/Bo...

Re:Toshiba Unveils First FC-MAMR HDD: 18 TB, Helium Filled by Layke1123 on Wednesday February 24, 2021 @01:42PM (#26253806)
This seems unintuitive as I would expect one electron by itself to be more closely attracted to a positive nucleus instead of when there are two or more fighting to remain in "orbit".

Your definition would make sense to me if you can think of electrons adding to an over all single electrical charge instead of individual electrons, but in that case, I have to ask, what is the original reason a single electron is repulsed by the atom. I.E. why does it stay so far away until more electrons are added. What is the force keeping electrons from falling into the nucleus in the first place and have an "orbital" or "cloud" at its set distance (like one Angstrom or Bohr)?

Re:Toshiba Unveils First FC-MAMR HDD: 18 TB, Helium Filled by btkramer9 on Wednesday February 24, 2021 @05:15PM (#26256823)
My instinctive guess is that it has to do with the spins of two electrons "balancing" each other keeping them closer to the nucleus.
Re:Toshiba Unveils First FC-MAMR HDD: 18 TB, Helium Filled by Layke1123 on Thursday February 25, 2021 @08:44AM (#26262641)
My understanding is that spin leads to a slightly different electrical force between up and down spinning electrons due to weak force symmetry breaking or singing to that effect. It's more like they have tiny electrical differences rather than canceling out any charge unless I'm mistaken.
Re:Toshiba Unveils First FC-MAMR HDD: 18 TB, Helium Filled by rbanffy on Wednesday February 24, 2021 @12:19PM (#26252602)
I'm getting this from memory of my high-school chemistry classes, so be careful.

Back then the explanation was that since the He nucleus has twice the positive charge as the Hydrogen one, it'd bring the electrons a bit closer. Both atoms have a single S orbital, He with two electrons.

Also, atomic Hydrogen won't remain atomic for long - it'll quickly connect to another Hydrogen so it's S orbitals share electrons.

Again, from memory of my high-school chemistry classes (30+ years ago).