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Re:Scientists break through the wall of sleep to the untappe... by Enginerrrd on Tuesday February 23, 2021 @03:02PM (#26242150)
FYI, I used to have similar experiences. Until I started deliberately lucid dreaming and learned some "dream stabilization" techniques.

The first time I had a proper, photo-realistic dream with complete awareness that it was a dream it blew my fucking mind in a way that was almost religious. I could feel the sun on my face, and the texture of the sidewalk I was walking on. I couldn't stop looking at plants! It was incredible to see every leaf and twig with the realization that they were being entirely rendered by my brain in real time. TRUST ME, those experiences are completely possible, and the detail a brain can create is nothing short of ASTOUNDING.

Upon reflection, it makes perfect sense. EVERYTHING you conceive of or percieve in your waking life is a lie, essentially a hallucination of sorts. It is a mostly high-level construction and summary made by some part of your brain based on sensory input. It turns out, your brain is perfectly capable of synthesizing the high level construction without the fine-grained sensory input.

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Re:Scientists break through the wall of sleep to the untappe... by mkmcde on Tuesday February 23, 2021 @04:14PM (#26242965)
How did you get to that point? I've been working towards trying for consistent lucid dreams. I'm most successful when I wake up early and go back to sleep for ~1 hour.
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Re:Scientists break through the wall of sleep to the untappe... by throw1234651234 on Tuesday February 23, 2021 @04:20PM (#26243027)
1. It's most likely a lie. I am not saying that to start a flame war, I just have actual experience with this. As in years of dedicated experience.

2. Keep a dream journal.

3. Do reality checking throughout the day.

4. Meditate before sleep. Do a relaxation exercise. There's 100s of them.

"Lucid Dreaming: A Concise Guide to Awakening in Your Dreams and in Your Life" is the definitive book on the topic that everyone copies. No one has additional information.

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Re:Scientists break through the wall of sleep to the untappe... by mkmcde on Tuesday February 23, 2021 @10:13PM (#26246188)
What about it is most likely a lie? I've had dreams go lucid. I mainly want to use them to practice physical skills in the dream world and have them transfer to real life. I remember ready a study about it.
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Re:Scientists break through the wall of sleep to the untappe... by djeiasbsbo on Wednesday February 24, 2021 @09:48AM (#26250372)
Not sure why he said that it's a lie. I have had lucid and vivid dreams that felt very real. The most significant one was when I "woke up" but in a dream. I then woke up again but this time for real. It was so surreal and at first I wasn't sure whether I was actually awake or still in a dream...

It haunted me for some time after because I never expected something like in the movie inception to be possible in real life.

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Re:Scientists break through the wall of sleep to the untappe... by throw1234651234 on Wednesday February 24, 2021 @11:58AM (#26252251)
1. The details. 2. The level of control.

A study to test this would be simple - test skills level at something (e.g. chess), and then have the study participant study "in their sleep" for a month. Test again. It has never been done. Not even close. As it has never been done, I strongly believe you are misinterpreting / over-stating your results.

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Re:Scientists break through the wall of sleep to the untappe... by mkmcde on Thursday February 25, 2021 @02:55PM (#26267424)
https://brainblogger.com/2016/09/08/can-you-improve-physical....
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Re:Scientists break through the wall of sleep to the untappe... by throw1234651234 on Monday March 01, 2021 @06:58PM (#26310195)
Interesting and simultaneously far from convincing.
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Re:Scientists break through the wall of sleep to the untappe... by yters on Tuesday February 23, 2021 @04:24PM (#26243061)
These really intense dreams, are you in control of the imagery, or is it something you are experiencing beyond your control? When I have intense dreams and try to control them the fidelity breaks down and I usually wake up.
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Re:Scientists break through the wall of sleep to the untappe... by mirekrusin on Tuesday February 23, 2021 @06:22PM (#26244418)
Didn’t practice too much, maybe you can get better at control, my own actions I could control including things like walking through wall or flying off from balcony, but not so much environment around me, a bit but not much. For waking up (very common when you realise you are in a dream) for me spinning around always worked very well. For me visual and sensual details were absolutely impressive, it’s at the level you can easily believe there exists another world, but it’s always nonsense threaded from your own memory with logic errors everywhere, however when inside the feel of truthness of reality is absolutely overwhelming.
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Re:Scientists break through the wall of sleep to the untappe... by Enginerrrd on Tuesday February 23, 2021 @06:51PM (#26244670)
Just to second this: the close-your-eyes-and-spin-around trick is what worked for me.
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Re:Scientists break through the wall of sleep to the untappe... by mirekrusin on Tuesday February 23, 2021 @07:04PM (#26244787)
By spin around I mean keep turning around in your dream when you feel you're loosing it/waking up, don't close eyes in the dream but in reality you're lying down with closed eyes (without spinning)! :)
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Re:Scientists break through the wall of sleep to the untappe... by Enginerrrd on Tuesday February 23, 2021 @06:49PM (#26244660)
Yeah, I don't have much control yet. I can choose where to go, and I can look around and stuff, but I can't really change the scenery. I think you can do it with practice though.

I have managed to fly a few times, but the first couple of times I tried, I jumped and fell flat on my face! I don't really experience pain in my dreams though.

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