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Re:Interest surges in top colleges, while struggling ones sc... by offtop5 on Tuesday February 23, 2021 @10:59AM (#26238786)
I'll disagree with this. A very rough fact of life is not everyone will be able to go to a top school. For example the language requirement most top schools have excludes many people who didn't grow up with a second language, and lack the extra money to afford language tutoring.( Or a stable home life in highschool as most college language classes work much better if you took it in high school).

I literally couldn't pass French in community college and ended up going to a lesser school because of it. It's just not something I can do, at least in an academic environment.

That's said my life is much better for having attended college. However there's absolutely a max amount of money you should spend on this. Anything more than $40,000 for the full four years is too much. So if you do two years at community college, that's roughly $2,000 a year, 4000. Which leaves a budget of $36,000 for your last two years of college, of course this is just tuition.

That's very much doable, and even if you have to borrow the whole 40 it's not that bad. The real problems start when people spend $100,000 or so attending lowly ranked schools, AKA these for-profit institutions.

Re:Interest surges in top colleges, while struggling ones sc... by klmadfejno on Tuesday February 23, 2021 @01:25PM (#26240765)
I'm not trying to be a dick, but introductory foreign language courses were, in my opinion, broadly perceived to be a complete joke, and passable without the slightest capability of forming a complete sentence.

Is it possible your community college was just unreasonably difficult?

Re:Interest surges in top colleges, while struggling ones sc... by offtop5 on Tuesday February 23, 2021 @02:31PM (#26241736)
Ahh.

Yes, infact I took French again at a different community college and passed.

The first community college I went too tried to cram 6 semester units into a single class. This still had the effect of derailing my life as I had to pick a different school to transfer to.

Re:Interest surges in top colleges, while struggling ones sc... by 908B64B197 on Tuesday February 23, 2021 @12:10PM (#26239785)
> For example the language requirement most top schools have excludes many people who didn't grow up with a second language

Isn't the requirement to have done a year or two of a second language in high school?

Re:Interest surges in top colleges, while struggling ones sc... by offtop5 on Tuesday February 23, 2021 @12:31PM (#26240114)
That's the admission requirement. You also have to take a language in college.

In ether case this isn't easily doable for people who come from unstable homes.

Re:Interest surges in top colleges, while struggling ones sc... by souprock on Wednesday February 24, 2021 @04:16AM (#26248133)
No, there isn't one universal requirement. Some examples:

No language needed: Florida Institute of Technology, Embry-Riddle Aeronautical University

Either 2 years in high school or 2 semesters in college, your choice: a STEM degree in a typical Florida state university

Some places require 4 years in high school.

Re:Interest surges in top colleges, while struggling ones sc... by awillen on Tuesday February 23, 2021 @11:29AM (#26239200)
I don't actually think you're particularly far off from my point.

In general, I think it's an ROI thing - the vast majority of non-technical degrees from low-tier schools have abysmal ROI. That said, ROI obviously depends on the I and the R - you intelligently kept the R down, and it sounds like you got a good I, so yeah, no disagreement. I just think you're very much the exception.

Re:Interest surges in top colleges, while struggling ones sc... by offtop5 on Tuesday February 23, 2021 @12:05PM (#26239719)
To be blunt, many of us graduate high school unable to properly read and write . At least 2 years of college is always needed to shore these basic skills up.

Then again I've worked many minimum wage jobs with master degree holders for