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Re:YouTube blocked chess channel after mistaken detection of... by andrewzah on Sunday February 21, 2021 @07:19PM (#26218825)
No, I meant nebulous as in unclear, hazy, or undefined.

Nobody knows what the YouTube algorithm is going to decide is inappropriate next. Their site’s wording is very vague and unclear as well.

You have youtubers censoring swear words now, and people uploading footage from video games like TF2 have had issues before.

Re:YouTube blocked chess channel after mistaken detection of... by teh_klev on Sunday February 21, 2021 @07:23PM (#26218855)
> Nobody knows what the YouTube algorithm is going to decide is inappropriate next.

Then that is the very definition of "opaque", which is what YouTube want and aim for.

Re:YouTube blocked chess channel after mistaken detection of... by yjftsjthsd-h on Sunday February 21, 2021 @07:54PM (#26219176)
An opaque algorithm could be unknown but consistent and thus learnable. YouTube is also nebulous, in that it is fuzzy and inconsistent; what is allowed on one channel may ban another.
Re:YouTube blocked chess channel after mistaken detection of... by titzer on Sunday February 21, 2021 @07:26PM (#26218881)
Do we really need to split hairs like this? The algorithms aren't completely opaque, as they have been trained on a set of representative inputs, and are continuously monitored. They are based on neural networks, presumably, with weights inspectable by the engineers deploying the model. So it is more "nebulous" and not completely opaque.
Re:YouTube blocked chess channel after mistaken detection of... by teh_klev on Sunday February 21, 2021 @07:31PM (#26218927)
We do, because in terms of writing english black boxes are opaque by their very nature. OP could remove "black boxes" to make the sentence correct.

You can't actually see inside a black box. That's why it's a "black box". Sure you can probe it, but that's not the same as being "nebulous", a thing you can actually see through sometimes. I expect better of HN.

Re:YouTube blocked chess channel after mistaken detection of... by joegahona on Sunday February 21, 2021 @07:21PM (#26218843)
"Nebulous" can also mean "indistinct" or "vague." The OP used it correctly, though you could argue "nebulous black box" is redundant.
Re:YouTube blocked chess channel after mistaken detection of... by GavinMcG on Sunday February 21, 2021 @07:39PM (#26219018)
Did you really imagine that the physical characteristics of a nebula where what the comment referred to? Black boxes that are mostly dust and ionized gasses? Black boxes that last 3-4 million years? Black boxes that span up to 10 astronomical units across?
Re:YouTube blocked chess channel after mistaken detection of... by vlozko on Sunday February 21, 2021 @07:18PM (#26218817)
> (of a concept or idea) unclear, vague, or ill-defined.

The other definition of nebulous.

Re:YouTube blocked chess channel after mistaken detection of... by trynton on Sunday February 21, 2021 @08:20PM (#26219469)
@teh_klev:

>> nebulous black boxes

> Probably a nitpick, I think you mean "opaque black boxes", you can see things through a nebula.

Your comment has been modded into invisibility :[