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Re:When Bitcoin miners take over a town (2018) by ChuckNorris89 on Sunday February 21, 2021 @03:42PM (#26216970)
>but for people of not so stable countries (Mexico, Argentina, China, among several others) where people just do not trust their government & their banking system, Cryptocurrencies deffinitely have value

Fair point, but curious in how many shops in those countries you can buys groceries or how many landlords take their rent in Crypto? Because if you can't use it to feed or house yourself then what's the point of owning it other than going back to BTC's only real use cases so far: storing it for speculation, drug trafficking and ransomeware payments.

Plus, can you imagine paying a $26 transaction fee every time you buy a $0.30 loaf of bread with bitcoin?

Re:When Bitcoin miners take over a town (2018) by xtracto on Sunday February 21, 2021 @06:30PM (#26218444)
You are right about the price of bitcoin transactions. I misused bitcoins when referring to cryptocurrencies. I actually dont have BTC but eth and other cryptoassets more sensible for trading (my initial comment about BTC inefficiencies might give a clue).

In Cuba there are 2 coins accepted CUC and CUP . The CUC was more or less pegged to the dollar and people preferred it due to distrust of their government.

It happens. And cryptocurrencies will continue to evolve to fill up that trust less requirement.

Re:When Bitcoin miners take over a town (2018) by wyre on Sunday February 21, 2021 @03:48PM (#26217021)
Bitcoin is a store of value. When they need money to buy groceries or pay rent they will sell an amount of bitcoin.

Stores and landlords won’t take payment in gold or index funds either.

Re:When Bitcoin miners take over a town (2018) by heavyset_go on Sunday February 21, 2021 @04:59PM (#26217666)
> Bitcoin is a store of value. When they need money to buy groceries or pay rent they will sell an amount of bitcoin.

Seems like a great way to lose any stored value in transaction fees. Transaction fees are $26USD right now, which is likely more than what most pay in those countries for their groceries.

Re:When Bitcoin miners take over a town (2018) by ChuckNorris89 on Sunday February 21, 2021 @05:03PM (#26217701)
Why do people miss the substantial transaction fee when proclaiming BTC as a viable day to day currency? And in poor countries out of all places.
Re:When Bitcoin miners take over a town (2018) by heterodoxxed on Sunday February 21, 2021 @03:53PM (#26217078)
> Bitcoin is a store of value

That's what's said now because it failed as a currency.

Re:When Bitcoin miners take over a town (2018) by wyre on Sunday February 21, 2021 @07:02PM (#26218695)
It hasn’t failed at being anything. Bitcoin is still very new to this world. Just because at this moment it isn’t realistic to use as a currency does not mean it has failed.
Re:When Bitcoin miners take over a town (2018) by heterodoxxed on Sunday February 21, 2021 @08:26PM (#26219543)
It's been around for 12 years and nothing even close to a killer app has come and it's one promise of utility (as a currency) has proven to not be scalable.
Re:When Bitcoin miners take over a town (2018) by wyre on Sunday February 21, 2021 @10:33PM (#26220572)
It’s decentralized. Why does it need “a killer app?”
Re:When Bitcoin miners take over a town (2018) by heterodoxxed on Sunday February 21, 2021 @10:41PM (#26220615)
A killer app would prove utility. Something that shows that it has use outside of the ideological and invested. In other words, something that someone on the outside can use. The internet is decentralized and produced "killer apps" that did just that almost immediately. People used the internet and their use of it only increased over time.

Cryptocurrency cannot sustain that. DApps are effectively useless. Blockchains are expensive and environmentally destructive merkle trees and do nothing that git couldn't do faster and easier and cheaper. Decentralization has not proven itself to be useful at all to anyone.

A killer app doesn't even have to be complicated, it only has to be useful. Nothing about cryptocurrency is useful. It is an ouroboros of busywork and self-justification.

So I would ask, why wouldn't a new technology need to demonstrate utility?

Re:When Bitcoin miners take over a town (2018) by ChuckNorris89 on Sunday February 21, 2021 @03:50PM (#26217047)
You're making the bold assumptions that landlords or grocery stores accept bitcoin in those countries.

Do they really? Or are you fantasizing a Cyberpunk future where they would?

Because fantasies are cheap, but food and shelter is not, and the ones who make the bread might be more into the cash in hand right now rather than waiting for your BTC transaction to clear.

Re:When Bitcoin miners take over a town (2018) by asenna on Sunday February 21, 2021 @04:18PM (#26217305)
> You're making the bold assumptions that landlords or grocery stores accept bitcoin in those countries.

The parent is clearly not making that statement.

Parent said ".. they will sell an amount of Bitcoin" which can be done either through exchanges or just as easily peer-to-peer through platforms like LocalBitcoin. If you have Bitcoin in a scenario like that, most definitely will not be a problem.

Re:When Bitcoin miners take over a town (2018) by ChuckNorris89 on Sunday February 21, 2021 @04:49PM (#26217586)
>If you have Bitcoin in a scenario like that, most definitely will not be a problem.

Until the regime decides to cut off access to crypto exchanges or the whole internet country wide. Good luck cashing out your bitcoins then.

Re:When Bitcoin miners take over a town (2018) by wyre on Sunday February 21, 2021 @06:50PM (#26218586)
If a regime is cutting off internet country wide that is a problem larger than bitcoin.
Re:When Bitcoin miners take over a town (2018) by ChuckNorris89 on Monday February 22, 2021 @04:30AM (#26222464)
Pretty sure if you have your money tied into bitcoin, as the people above suggest as the killer use of BTC, then having your internet cut off easily becomes your biggest problem.

How else are you gonna spend your crypto to buy food or pay for shelter or pay for travel or smugglers to get you out of the country?

Crypto would be great if it could be used 100% offline, like tap your phones via NFC, and boom, coins transferred, here's your bread.

Re:When Bitcoin miners take over a town (2018) by jerry1979 on Sunday February 21, 2021 @06:49PM (#26218578)
I trade small amounts of bitcoin with my friends all the time on the lightning network.