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Re:Second Citizenships, Residencies, and/or Temporary Reloca... by feanaro on Sunday February 21, 2021 @02:52AM (#26211698)
What do you need this wealth for?

Bear in mind that wealth is relative. The differences in cost of living are dramatic between countries so a much smaller wealth in one country can be much larger in another.

Re:Second Citizenships, Residencies, and/or Temporary Reloca... by vecinu on Sunday February 21, 2021 @03:33AM (#26211864)
> What do you need this wealth for?

Insurance for the future. Maybe I get bored of software, maybe I want to take a few years off and not have to work. Maybe I won't be able to "unprogram" the consumerist habits I picked up in the US and will fall back into buying things I don't really need (like Hi-Fi, photography equipment, gaming rigs, TVs, etc...) and will need funds to continue doing that.

I don't know, I guess I spent too much time in the US and deeply concluded that it's better to have wealth than to not have it. I have a lot of reflection to do.

Even adjusting for cost of living, if I bring $1M over to the EU, I couldn't stop working for the next 50 years, I would need a few for $xMs for that.

Re:Second Citizenships, Residencies, and/or Temporary Reloca... by feanaro on Sunday February 21, 2021 @03:42AM (#26211912)
Yes, stopping all work for the next 50 years right now wouldn't be realistic with that. But then again, you're definitely not going to be stopping work while trying to accumulate more wealth either.
Re:Second Citizenships, Residencies, and/or Temporary Reloca... by vecinu on Sunday February 21, 2021 @03:52AM (#26211962)
Correct but with an optimistic projection of working for 5-10 more years, I could stop working forever, unless I want to work for fun / enjoyment (or say no to crappy jobs) and then move to the EU.

If I move to the EU now and take a hit in income, that will become impossible.

Re:Second Citizenships, Residencies, and/or Temporary Reloca... by tonfa on Sunday February 21, 2021 @09:20AM (#26213597)
Germany median salary is 42k EUR (and I guess one of the highest in the eurozone, Portugal seem to be 25k USD), depending on your lifestyle, I think many people could actually retire with 1M...
Re:Second Citizenships, Residencies, and/or Temporary Reloca... by vecinu on Sunday February 21, 2021 @03:33PM (#26216886)
Once you extrapolate that to software engineers, levels.fyi says you can expect 80k EUR/yr in Germany [1] which I think is after-tax.

If that is true, it's more than I thought it would be and I think if you found a good job you enjoyed, making 80k EUR/yr on top of having $1M saved could give you a secure financial future.

[1] https://www.levels.fyi/Salaries/Software-Engineer/Germany/

Re:Second Citizenships, Residencies, and/or Temporary Reloca... by adrianN on Sunday February 21, 2021 @12:10PM (#26215144)
A million dollars is 20k per year for fifty years. You can life pretty well off that in one of the poorer European countries, or in a poorer area of a richer European country.
Re:Second Citizenships, Residencies, and/or Temporary Reloca... by vecinu on Sunday February 21, 2021 @03:29PM (#26216861)
You can "safely" withdraw between 3-4% of your $1M for 30 years and never lose that $1M, assuming you keep that money invested and it grows at an average of 7%/yr.

$30-40k/yr, pre-tax, would still be ok for one person in Portugal / Spain or other lower cost of living places, right NOW. Once you add in a spouse, children, things start to get hairy.

Once you consider that these places are currently undervalued and their cost of living could increase dramatically in the future, that $30-40k/yr no longer seems as safe.

I would personally aim for $2M+ to feel safe that I won't have to be forced to work a job I hate for the next 30 years.