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Re:Handheld two-way radios for preppers and other curious folks by myself248 on Saturday February 20, 2021 @05:42PM (#26208682)
Seriously! I keep feeling the same lack. I want something in the form factor of an early Blackberry or something.

I'd love it to have three radio decks: One ham transceiver, so I can use direct APRS-or-whatever with other nearby nodes or digipeaters, though I know the antenna will suck. One Bluetooth, so it can act as the QWERTY UI for a more powerful radio that lacks a decent keyboard (or as a generic peripheral for other projects). And one Part-15, perhaps LoRa or something, so it can also operate in an unlicensed mode with Meshtastic or something as the protocol over longer range than Bluetooth.

I'm pretty sure I could design the hardware, both the electronics and the enclosure, but I can't code my way out of a wet paper bag, so that's sort of a non-starter.

The bigger question question is, why doesn't this exist yet? Are there HTs with native Bluetooth so the texting UI could be implemented as a phone app? I know there are some with Bluetooth for other functions but I'm not clear on whether they can act as a KISS TNC over SPP.

If so, that would be a great interface to standardize on, implement the phone app for testing, then turn it into a physical gizmo to enjoy longer battery life and cheaper/rugged hardware. Then as a next step, bring the Part-97 hardware into the gizmo.

Re:Handheld two-way radios for preppers and other curious folks by vvanders on Saturday February 20, 2021 @07:59PM (#26209772)
Check out the M17 project, they seem to be making inroads in that area.

https://m17project.org/

Mobilink tncs are really nice but you're still limited by APRS.

Re:Handheld two-way radios for preppers and other curious folks by ac29 on Sunday February 21, 2021 @01:38AM (#26211368)
M17 sounds cool, but as near as I can tell you cant just buy some hardware for it. Its still a plug your PC into a generic radio technology (which is fine, but some people just want to spend the money to get a working all in one solution).
Re:Handheld two-way radios for preppers and other curious folks by sobriquet9 on Saturday February 20, 2021 @09:50PM (#26210384)
I played with Meshtastic and was disappointed with range. I did not really expect miracles given LoRa's limited power, but 50 yards with direct line of sight was underwhelming.
Re:Handheld two-way radios for preppers and other curious folks by myself248 on Saturday February 20, 2021 @11:02PM (#26210687)
That's hardly the protocol's fault though.

When I discovered Meshtastic, I already had some of the Heltec modules around, which are reputed to have the worst RF performance. I tried anyway, and indeed, I had to equip some truly silly antennas to get even a mile of range. (18dBi yagi in my living room, pointed at a parking structure downtown, was able to talk to another node on top of the structure with a 6dBi omni. Just barely.)

I've been pursuing other projects since then, but a quick skim of the meshtastic forum suggests that there are some much better-performing RF modules now. I'll play with those soon enough...

And anyway, there are encodings other than the patent-encumbered LoRa worth considering, too. (The LoRa folks just did a stellar job capturing mindshare lately.) Really, a feature-set identical to the original IM-ME, but with an option to use ham radios to extend the range, is what I want.

Re:Handheld two-way radios for preppers and other curious folks by sobriquet9 on Saturday February 20, 2021 @11:18PM (#26210760)
I used TTGO modules with omnidirectional antennas.

By now we have very efficient modulation like FT8 and LDPC error-correcting codes, so I think it should be possible to do much better, even within Part 15 limitations.

Re:Handheld two-way radios for preppers and other curious folks by myself248 on Sunday February 21, 2021 @12:44AM (#26211137)
Agreed, but I'm not aware of anyone trying to build those into handheld communicators.