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Re:I Miss My Bar by tomcooks on Friday February 19, 2021 @02:39AM (#26190622)
Maybe it's the rural setup where I'm from, but I'm glad that in 2020 and 2021 I barely visited bars. Summer was spent by lakes and forests, drinking beers, cocktails, appetizers, and eating freshly grilled BBQ for a fraction of the price, having quality time in the sun with friends.

I don't miss commercial society, I don't miss their tropes and their rituals. Fake friendship and banter from people hanging around to get some of my money in exchange of half a glass of ice and a dribble of liquor.

Bonus annoyance this year: the eternal covid lamentations of bar and restaurant owners, as if governments purposely wanted to destroy their businesses, as if one's bar is more important than other people lives, as if they didn't paint themselves and their stupid restaurant for years as an example of entrepreneurship (apparently the free market is a good idea only when your business goes well).

To hell with paid service, picnics and aperitivi in the main square with cheap liquor and (honestly) friendly smiles.

"I command this dump to wither, board its doors and windows forever" as Dan Feeder says.

Re:I Miss My Bar by leehuffman on Friday February 19, 2021 @03:35AM (#26190897)
> Maybe it's the rural setup where I'm from

Nah, it’s almost certainly (at least in this context) your privilege. I should hope that you’d never have your income, overnight, ganked out from under you. Not to mention the dozens of other hard working, honest humans on your payroll.

I also hope nobody has the completely disconnected uppity spirit to post paragraphs of text telling you why you’re worthless, as you’re inhaling water and drowning. Because that would be shitty.

Re:I Miss My Bar by tomcooks on Saturday February 20, 2021 @03:24AM (#26202570)
Do you have any solution other than assuming things about others, their supposed privileges? Do you think the state should give you money or leave you to your enterprise? Do you think that taking things from businesses was some sort of conspiracy plan against business owners or the result of something terrible plus bad management plus decades of no preparation even when the scientific community was proactively warning everyone of this problem?

I made myself resistant to THIS specific problem by decades of choices, losses and failures. My time to drown will come again as it did in the apat and hopefully won't blame others for that.

Re:I Miss My Bar by leehuffman on Saturday February 20, 2021 @05:17AM (#26203094)
lol ok bruh... I'll break this down...

> Do you think the state should give you money or leave you to your enterprise?

I haven't taken a dime from any government entity, including the unemployment pool that I 100% qualify for and have spent the last 15 years paying into. I also have ~4 other streams of income, so yeah, leave me to my 'enterprise, I'm good.

> Do you think that taking things from businesses was some sort of conspiracy plan against business owners

No...

> or the result of something terrible

Correct.

> plus bad management

Nah we run an extremely dialed joint that pays all state & federal taxes with all cash components (door cover, tips, etc) on the books. My round of ownership (I'm 1 of 3) dug the place out of ~$100k in debt from prior ownership (primarily to other local vendors, and the IRS) and hard course corrected the place inside 24 months time. I'd argue we're a great example of fantastic management – in this business and plenty of others.

> plus decades of no preparation

I've been in this business for ~5 years, so I can't speak to decades.

> even when the scientific community was proactively warning everyone of this problem?

This is so wildy out of pocket, I can't even respond with anything reasonable.

Are you suggesting that restaurant/bar/venue owners should fall to zero and grind it out on the streets because they weren't accounting for scientific research that presented the possibility of a pandemic that'd stop all economic activity across the globe for 6+ months, and their businesses for 2+ years? Are you high?

> I made myself resistant to THIS specific problem by decades of choices, losses and failures.

Like I said, I'm good. But I also have a responsibility to a payroll of 18+ humans, and I'm not a large enough piece of shit to tell them that I win, they planned poorly, I am superior, and to hit the line at the fuckin' food bank.

> and hopefully won't blame others for that.

Nope but you'll blame the ones drowning as you stomp on their heads and flex on them with your wild time traveling foresight that makes you better than all of them and worthy of watching their lungs take on water with an 'I told you so' attitude. Hope that works out for you, boss.

Re:I Miss My Bar by globular-toast on Friday February 19, 2021 @04:43AM (#26191271)
Eh? Are you suggesting this site is for bar owners. You parent and probably everyone else is assuming the perspective of a bar patron.
Re:I Miss My Bar by corobo on Friday February 19, 2021 @05:58AM (#26191742)
You guys know people lost their jobs during the pandemic right?
Re:I Miss My Bar by leesalminen on Friday February 19, 2021 @08:22AM (#26192851)
No, they don’t know anyone outside of their tech bubble, so of course they don’t. As long as it doesn’t affect them, they don’t care.
Re:I Miss My Bar by globular-toast on Friday February 19, 2021 @09:56AM (#26193808)
Of course I do, but what does that have to do with this? Are you suggesting bar owners or workers will be on here seeking some kind of comfort? This is clearly for people that go to hang out in bars as customers.
Re:I Miss My Bar by jaywalk on Friday February 19, 2021 @11:56AM (#26195088)
So because those people probably aren't here, it's fine to demean them and act like all of the horrible things that have happened to them and their employees are actually GOOD THINGS because some people "got to" spend more time by lakes and forests?

My tech job is very safe. My financial situation has not changed. But many of my friends own and work in bars and restaurants, and I have seen firsthand how their lives have been so negatively impacted by all of this.

In all sincerity: go fuck yourself.

Re:I Miss My Bar by nicbou on Friday February 19, 2021 @02:56AM (#26190697)
The bar was the meeting point, and the place where we closed the week. I met my friends there, and sometimes made new ones.

You may not like bars and the fact that they exchange services for money, but that doesn't mean you don't have to show sympathy for people who are losing everything because of a force majeure.

Re:I Miss My Bar by deadmetheny on Friday February 19, 2021 @11:02AM (#26194496)
>Bonus annoyance this year: the eternal covid lamentations of bar and restaurant owners, as if governments purposely wanted to destroy their businesses, as if one's bar is more important than other people lives, as if they didn't paint themselves and their stupid restaurant for years as an example of entrepreneurship (apparently the free market is a good idea only when your business goes well).

Fuck off into the sun. Of course people are going to lament when their jobs vanish and the business they built over years of hard work is in a very real danger of tanking. I should know, my food service business is down quite a bit - and we're one of the lucky ones that is doing well enough to stay afloat given that we had a strong takeaway focus even before the C-19 hit. An entire segment of jobs blown away - what do those people do? Shit like "learn to code" is not a helpful answer, and history suggests that what they do end up doing after a long enough period of hopelessness is not pretty.

Re:I Miss My Bar by toby on Friday February 19, 2021 @11:09AM (#26194580)
> apparently the free market is a good idea only when your business goes well

This statement is so confusing. Forcing millions of businesses which were previously legal to shutter under questionable authority is literally the opposite of a free market.

Re:I Miss My Bar by Nursie on Friday February 19, 2021 @05:13AM (#26191418)
> having quality time in the sun with friends.

Here in the UK we're not really even allowed to see friends outside.

Re:I Miss My Bar by kungito on Friday February 19, 2021 @02:56AM (#26190694)
Well it's easy to say this about summer but in the winter you have no options. It's too cold to hang out outside, play sports or whatever. You could hand out at each other's houses but people prefer to have neutral ground where no one has to prepare for everyone else
Re:I Miss My Bar by 3np on Friday February 19, 2021 @03:39AM (#26190920)
In some countries, you're even forbidden from having visitors in your home.
Re:I Miss My Bar by _uwiz on Friday February 19, 2021 @04:39AM (#26191247)
Yep, the UK went full authoritarian pretty much straight out of the gate, it's been illegal for me to have anyone in my house for 97 days now (and was also illegal or heavily restricted a number of times before that)
Re:I Miss My Bar by Nursie on Friday February 19, 2021 @05:20AM (#26191471)
> Yep, the UK went full authoritarian pretty much straight out of the gate

We really didn't. Had we done that, we may have succeeded in controlling this thing. Instead what happened was too little, too late, over and over again the government shut the stable door after the horse bolted.

Re:I Miss My Bar by _uwiz on Friday February 19, 2021 @05:24AM (#26191491)
edit: Nah, I'd rather we go back in time and not normalize draconian, authoritarian restrictions on everyday life.
Re:I Miss My Bar by Nursie on Friday February 19, 2021 @05:29AM (#26191531)
We closed things down too late, this is pretty well understood.

The last lockdown was imposed when it was, essentially, because the powers that be wanted christmas retail open, and christmas day to happen, when cases were already massively on the rise. I'm not saying "it wasn't harsh enough", I'm saying that every time it's been done too late, and ramped up too slowly. It could have been shorter and well controlled had it been sooner, like it has been in other countries.

There's no need to be so incivil. Perhaps think about your own words.

Re:I Miss My Bar by _uwiz on Friday February 19, 2021 @05:32AM (#26191554)
edit: Nah, I'd rather we go back in time and not normalize draconian, authoritarian restrictions on everyday life.
Re:I Miss My Bar by Nursie on Friday February 19, 2021 @05:35AM (#26191575)
No, I'm quite seriously talking about how it should have been done sooner, and if it had been, could have been shorter.

I'm sorry you're so upset about this. It's not easy on any of us and it's been handled appallingly. But there really is no need to call someone that disagrees with you a "lockdown ####" and fantasise about violence upon them.

Re:I Miss My Bar by _uwiz on Friday February 19, 2021 @05:37AM (#26191588)
edit: Nah, I'd rather we go back in time and not normalize draconian, authoritarian restrictions on everyday life.
Re:I Miss My Bar by Nursie on Friday February 19, 2021 @05:39AM (#26191602)
I think you probably ought to seek some counselling if you're fantasising about violence towards others on a daily basis. What you're expressing is deeply unhealthy.

I'm not saying this as some sort of point of argument or to belittle you - it really sounds like you could use someone to talk through this with.

Re:I Miss My Bar by _uwiz on Friday February 19, 2021 @05:49AM (#26191674)
edit: Nah, I'd rather we go back in time and not normalize draconian, authoritarian restrictions on everyday life.
Re:I Miss My Bar by Nursie on Friday February 19, 2021 @05:56AM (#26191726)
If you are fantasising, daily, about committing violence against people in favour of public health measures, as you said you were, please seek some sort of mental health support.

I'm calling for less locking down, but done earlier so that it can be shorter, and I'm largely talking about how it could have been done better last year. If that's enough for you to want to physically harm me, I really think you need to get that support.

Re:I Miss My Bar by _uwiz on Friday February 19, 2021 @06:08AM (#26191808)
It's a no from me.

I'd rather we go back in time and not normalize draconian, authoritarian restrictions on everyday life.

Re:I Miss My Bar by Nursie on Friday February 19, 2021 @06:09AM (#26191820)
I think I'm going to stop responding to this now. I hope you feel better soon.
Re:I Miss My Bar by jwlake on Friday February 19, 2021 @11:44AM (#26194937)
My new favorite tree in hn
Re:I Miss My Bar by tinus_hn on Friday February 19, 2021 @04:31AM (#26191191)
In some countries you get put in a concentration camp if your religion is the wrong one.

Does that make it acceptable in your country?

Re:I Miss My Bar by 3np on Friday February 19, 2021 @10:02PM (#26201099)
...I'm sorry, how's this relevant and what's your point?
Re:I Miss My Bar by tinus_hn on Saturday February 20, 2021 @04:27AM (#26202900)
You appear to be arguing that restrictions aren’t a problem because in other countries they are worse.
Re:I Miss My Bar by 3np on Saturday February 20, 2021 @05:54AM (#26203233)
I am not. I am saying some of us can't even invite friends over.
Re:I Miss My Bar by Aeolun on Friday February 19, 2021 @04:10AM (#26191087)
> apparently the free market is a good idea only when your business goes well

The free market is a (sort of) good idea when acts of god don’t interfere.

Re:I Miss My Bar by tinus_hn on Friday February 19, 2021 @04:31AM (#26191194)
acts of government
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Re:I Miss My Bar by vultour on Friday February 19, 2021 @05:45AM (#26191642)
Yes, if they’re helping a deadly virus spread during a pandemic then go ahead. Except unlike you I’m going to accept that, because I don’t want to be stuck at home for another year while morons continue to spread the disease everywhere.
Re:I Miss My Bar by cassalian on Friday February 19, 2021 @07:12AM (#26192279)
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Re:I Miss My Bar by _uwiz on Friday February 19, 2021 @07:20AM (#26192348)
Thank you.

I don't know what I have to say to explain this to these people. Maybe it's not quite explainable.

Restrictions haven't pushed their buttons in the same way. The only way to get this across is to describe all of their needs disappearing. But it doesn't hit the same, and it seems petty.

So it goes.

Re:I Miss My Bar by cassalian on Friday February 19, 2021 @07:41AM (#26192502)
I do not think it's easy to convey to someone what this last year has been like for a lot of people who live alone. As such, I can't really blame the crowd that pushes for more intense lockdown measures - their motives for doing so are generally good. Thankfully the vaccine is being distributed so I'm fairly confident this will all end soon
Re:I Miss My Bar by vultour on Friday February 19, 2021 @07:38AM (#26192469)
Yes, I understand how damaging this is for people who are alone. It's also the reason why I've been staying inside since march, to help get this whole thing behind us. Unfortunately some people just don't give a shit.
Re:I Miss My Bar by jeofken on Friday February 19, 2021 @07:57AM (#26192623)
No one has a moral responsibility to not live their lives, if ethics are universal. And no one has the ethical right to hinder others from living and letting live. End these government lockdowns
Re:I Miss My Bar by _uwiz on Friday February 19, 2021 @12:29PM (#26195476)
I give a shit, just not to the level that I'm willing to kill myself for the cause.