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Re:California State Legislator Introduces Bill to Decriminal... by baggy_trough on Thursday February 18, 2021 @06:57PM (#26187584)
It's rather outrageous that a plant can be illegal in the first place.
Re:California State Legislator Introduces Bill to Decriminal... by electrondood on Thursday February 18, 2021 @07:05PM (#26187654)
I'm with you, but then so is "owning" land, etc.
Re:California State Legislator Introduces Bill to Decriminal... by mensetmanusman on Thursday February 18, 2021 @07:30PM (#26187866)
“owning” land is illegal?
Re:California State Legislator Introduces Bill to Decriminal... by chordalkeyboard on Thursday February 18, 2021 @07:34PM (#26187886)
Some people reject ownership of land. Its good that this is getting more discussion because I think its generally nonsensical and this idea is rather old and doesn’t get debunked because up until recently it rarely made it out of socialist/communist dogma.
Re:California State Legislator Introduces Bill to Decriminal... by mandelbrotwurst on Thursday February 18, 2021 @09:17PM (#26188731)
Why is it nonsensical? I've always interpreted this as being an attempt to call attention to things like the relative shortness of our lives in comparison to the earth and an argument that there's a certain amount of hubris involved in saying that you own components of ecosystems that you exist within and depend on to live.
Re:California State Legislator Introduces Bill to Decriminal... by chordalkeyboard on Thursday February 18, 2021 @09:26PM (#26188805)
> Why is it nonsensical?

Because territorialism is ubiquitous in the animal kingdom and aboriginal societies also had a concept of territory. They reject it because its a social convention and therefore its always possible to reject it. But they reject it because they don’t like being excluded from territories and they think rejecting the social convention of land ownership will result in a new arrangement where they are no longer excluded from territories. However this is like rejecting the social convention of English because you want to be able to make noises that English-speakers consider to be insulting. They haven’t addressed the fact that society relies on ownership notions in order to do things like produce food and housing; and they have no plan to allocate scarce resources in the absence of ownership norms.

> I've always interpreted this as being an attempt to call attention to things like the relative shortness of our lives in comparison to the earth and an argument that there's a certain amount of hubris involved in saying that you own components of ecosystems that you exist within and depend on to live.

Thats a valid response to a metaphysical concept of ownership as a thing-in-itself that has meaning outside of human relations. My response is to ground ownership in reciprocal norms that arise emergently from human interaction. And to justify them on the basis of egalitarian human rights.

Re:California State Legislator Introduces Bill to Decriminal... by onlyrealcuzzo on Thursday February 18, 2021 @07:07PM (#26187673)
To be pedantic, the plant isn't illegal - in some states it is illegal to grow and possess, and in most states it is illegal to sell.

And - although I agree this is ridiculous - there are plenty of prohibited plants [1], and some of that is for good reason.

[1] https://www.aphis.usda.gov/aphis/ourfocus/planthealth/import...

Re:California State Legislator Introduces Bill to Decriminal... by toomim on Thursday February 18, 2021 @07:09PM (#26187682)
To be even more pedantic, mushrooms are not plants. They are fungi.
Re:California State Legislator Introduces Bill to Decriminal... by chickenpotpie on Thursday February 18, 2021 @08:23PM (#26188299)
It’s also illegal to make light at certain frequencies
Re:California State Legislator Introduces Bill to Decriminal... by sep_field on Thursday February 18, 2021 @08:46PM (#26188488)
Can you provide examples? I'm having trouble thinking of anything that is based on frequency alone. Laser light can be illegal if it is beamed towards aircraft. Radio waves can be illegal if they are transmitted with high enough energy to disrupt a licensed frequency, or if they carry information that is not compatible with the frequencies' license.. but otherwise they are still legal. I can have an FM transmitter in my car to play my phone legally because it is too low power to cause interference.

What frequency of light is illegal just in itself, regardless of power, information content, or target?

Re:California State Legislator Introduces Bill to Decriminal... by TedDoesntTalk on Thursday February 18, 2021 @07:03PM (#26187642)
How is LSD or MDMA a plant?
Re:California State Legislator Introduces Bill to Decriminal... by dualthro on Thursday February 18, 2021 @07:48PM (#26188017)
I don't see GP suggesting that anywhere in their comment?
Re:California State Legislator Introduces Bill to Decriminal... by rodrigosetti on Thursday February 18, 2021 @09:08PM (#26188656)
some numbers are ilegal