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Re:New Model M Is an American-Made Keyboard That Puts a Spri... by dkarl on Thursday February 18, 2021 @10:02AM (#26180574)
> My theory is that most folks these days learned to type on membrane keyboards where you have to bottom out the keys (often with quite a lot of force, if the keyboard is old)

I hate this. It's uncomfortable. If you aren't old enough to have used a good laptop before laptops could be thinner than two inches, you can think of modern laptop keyboards as the 21st century equivalent of a girdle. You give up a certain amount of comfort, but hey, at least you look sexy.

I guess we won't have comfortable laptop keyboards again until the electronics and battery are small enough to fit entirely under the palm rests and trackpad.

Re:New Model M Is an American-Made Keyboard That Puts a Spri... by war1025 on Thursday February 18, 2021 @12:42PM (#26182944)
> the 21st century equivalent of a girdle. You give up a certain amount of comfort, but hey, at least you look sexy.

My wife does a lot of sewing and garment making. She has convinced me that a properly designed and fitted girdle is actually a net-benefit for people. The trouble is proper fit is hard at a mass scale, which is why women transitioned to bras, which also have notorious fit issues, but are at least manageable when mass produced.

Re:New Model M Is an American-Made Keyboard That Puts a Spri... by cmiller1 on Thursday February 18, 2021 @10:15AM (#26180723)
> If you aren't old enough to have used a good laptop before laptops could be thinner than two inches, you can think of modern laptop keyboards as the 21st century equivalent of a girdle

I miss old laptop input devices, wish someone still made a laptop with a built in trackball too!

Re:New Model M Is an American-Made Keyboard That Puts a Spri... by dkarl on Thursday February 18, 2021 @10:44AM (#26181142)
I never got to try a trackball. I remember that touchpads back in the day were garbage compared to touchpads now, though. I remember the Thinkpad nub was better than any touchpad I ever had until I got my first Macbook Pro. The Apple touchpads were so amazing I assumed they would eventually figure out keyboards, too. Still waiting ten years later.
Re:New Model M Is an American-Made Keyboard That Puts a Spri... by toast0 on Thursday February 18, 2021 @01:44PM (#26183800)
There are plenty of trackballs available to plugin, just not anything mainstream in a laptop.

I personally would love a return to keyboards at the front edge of the laptop, with a side mounted trackball; but I doubt I'll see that.

Re:New Model M Is an American-Made Keyboard That Puts a Spri... by cmiller1 on Thursday February 18, 2021 @01:52PM (#26183916)
Re:New Model M Is an American-Made Keyboard That Puts a Spri... by toast0 on Thursday February 18, 2021 @02:28PM (#26184327)
That's pretty awesome. Although I was thinking of something more like the Microsoft Ballpoint Mouse https://www.microsoft.com/buxtoncollection/detail.aspx?id=22...
Re:New Model M Is an American-Made Keyboard That Puts a Spri... by ghostpepper on Thursday February 18, 2021 @11:46AM (#26182111)
It's not too late! Thinkpads still come with a nub.
Re:New Model M Is an American-Made Keyboard That Puts a Spri... by war1025 on Thursday February 18, 2021 @12:43PM (#26182972)
I tried to use the nub thing once since I have a Thinkpad through work. Really not to my taste.
Re:New Model M Is an American-Made Keyboard That Puts a Spri... by jagger27 on Thursday February 18, 2021 @02:41PM (#26184469)
It takes a while to get used to. The biggest value add for me with the nub is scrolling while holding the middle button. I love that.
Re:New Model M Is an American-Made Keyboard That Puts a Spri... by admax88q on Thursday February 18, 2021 @11:06AM (#26181515)
Re:New Model M Is an American-Made Keyboard That Puts a Spri... by mycall on Thursday February 18, 2021 @11:07PM (#26189569)
I've ordered an opti-mechanical new laptop to hopefully rediscover comfort in typing. Wish me luck)