> People that read HN are absolutely the type that would consider paying for NYT (or at least the two cohorts have great overlap).

?? I automatically assume that articles that are written by NYT, NewYorker, and The Guardian are complete BS and should be ignored.

0 journalism found there.

Wanna spend money somewhere? Spend it on The Atlantic or Bloomberg.

It didn't used to be this bad. The NYT revamped its editorial staff and got some controversial identity politics types (Google "sarah jeong tweets" and be your own judge), and also discovered that much like Fox News, running aggressive and inflammatory headlines and opinion pieces gets clicks.

It's depressing because the NYT was more of a mainstream liberal newspaper whose main crimes were a lack of critical attitude towards foreign policy (such as the weapons of mass destruction fiasco). Its domestic reporting was decent. Now the domestic reporting is pitting Americans against one another.

Interesting grouping. I would've put The Atlantic and The New Yorker in the reputable group, and Bloomberg in the BS group.

Cancer: CNN, FoxNews, Vice, The Guardian, Business Insider

Bad: NewYorker, New York Times, The Information

Not Bad: The Economist

Good: The Atlantic, Axios, Bloomberg, The Politico (at least in the EU)

Very good: Reuters

> I automatically assume that articles that are written by NYT, NewYorker, and The Guardian are complete BS and should be ignored.

Can you please elaborate on why you feel that way?

The OP's claim is a little strong but in my case, it's a narrative and opinion pieces that melt in with the news. We used to have international and domestic news, and an Opinions section that had the narrative. Now, we have opinions mixed in all three, inflammatory headlines, and missing data (one-sidedness), with more extreme assertions in Opinions.

For a younger person, perhaps they wouldn't notice? I have been reading NYT and Guardian since the early 2000s, and canceled the NYT this summer when they failed to report really major events in NYC that didn't match narrative (looting and rioting that was directly observable for two days). I realized at that point we had a real problem.

The Guardian has always been more openly activist, and I have a lot of respect for their Snowden work. But Trump being in the front page for four years was a bit much.

I'm pretty happy with Reuters and to a lesser degree Bloomberg (whom I pay per month 7 times what I was paying for the NYT subscription).

How often do you see NYT articles on the front page? It is very rarely for me.

They've been trending the last couple days.

Last couple days have only one story from NYT with ore than 100 upvotes. I didn't bother with checking further than second page of results, but though there are lots of submissions, rarely they get more than a couple of upvotes.

https://news.ycombinator.com/from?site=nytimes.com

Here is an easier way of checking that:

https://hn.algolia.com/?dateRange=pastMonth&page=0&prefix=fa...

> People that read HN are absolutely the type that would consider paying for NYT (or at least the two cohorts have great overlap).

Unlikely considering the general popularity of articles highlighting their incompetence/malfeasance. See: slatestarcodex articles of the last week