Epic Games steps up Apple fight with EU antitrust complaint

Re:Epic Games steps up Apple fight with EU antitrust complaint by efdee on Wednesday February 17, 2021 @01:08PM (#26169497)

There is no choice being taken away - you don't have a choice at this point - you must use "the" App Store whether you like it or not.

Maybe the Apple App Store can get it's shit together and present a less hostile environment so these companies are able/willing to distribute on the Apple App Store again, and then you'll actually have a choice.

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Re:Epic Games steps up Apple fight with EU antitrust complaint by ntsplnkv2 on Wednesday February 17, 2021 @01:35PM (#26169824)

You make that choice when you buy the phone.

You are not buying an iPhone and the software separately. It is one product. The App Store is the product.

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Re:Epic Games steps up Apple fight with EU antitrust complaint by fbelzile on Wednesday February 17, 2021 @02:12PM (#26170231)

No, you buy the phone hardware and a license to use iOS. The App Store is a service provided by Apple that you should have a choice to use or not. The Apple Tax is what you're 'buying' from Apple when using the App Store service.

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Re:Epic Games steps up Apple fight with EU antitrust complaint by ntsplnkv2 on Wednesday February 17, 2021 @02:39PM (#26170580)

This is not accurate. I never "buy" a license explicitly. I buy the phone explicitly.

I can't "buy" iOS and put it on any phone. The phone and software are inextricably linked. It is one product.

> The App Store is a service provided by Apple that you should have a choice to use or not. The Apple Tax is what you're 'buying' from Apple when using the App Store service.

You can extend this to any level. This is like complaining "I don't want to use Amazon to buy things on Amazon.com"

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Re:Epic Games steps up Apple fight with EU antitrust complaint by ryandrake on Wednesday February 17, 2021 @01:28PM (#26169736)

In both cases, I as the user, have no choice:

1. Apple wins = I have no choice but to use the app store.

2. Epic wins = I have no choice but to install multiple different app stores to run many different apps.

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Re:Epic Games steps up Apple fight with EU antitrust complaint by kingsleyopara on Wednesday February 17, 2021 @07:56PM (#26174067)

I'd argue you have less choice if Epic wins as you as the user no longer have the choice to choose a walled garden (iOS) vs open platform (Android).

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Re:Epic Games steps up Apple fight with EU antitrust complaint by efdee on Friday February 19, 2021 @01:46PM (#26196430)

If Epic wins, you can still use the walled garden. I don't see your loss of choice.

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Re:Epic Games steps up Apple fight with EU antitrust complaint by kingsleyopara on Friday February 19, 2021 @03:39PM (#26197775)

My understanding and usage of a "walled garden" is to mean a closed ecosystem. By definition it no longer exists if Epic wins.

Continuing the analogy: Some people want a walled garden to keep their kids safe, but your suggesting to remove the walls and just advice kids to stay on the lawn instead.

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Re:Epic Games steps up Apple fight with EU antitrust complaint by ThatPlayer on Thursday February 18, 2021 @03:52AM (#26177500)

By that logic I have no choice but to buy an iPhone to run many different apps because they're not available on Android.

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