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Re:How Poverty Makes Workers Less Productive by zepto on Monday February 15, 2021 @12:17AM (#26139362)
> there's no way to know for sure how well preventative measures work

This is true. It’s not a valid counterfactual to compare against an imagined ideal.

It’s just as possible to consider that the pandemic response team had degenerated into ineffectiveness, and by disbanding them Trump made things better.

This is why imagined counterfactuals aren’t helpful compared vs comparing with an actual benchmark.

Re:How Poverty Makes Workers Less Productive by ehsankia on Monday February 15, 2021 @01:18AM (#26139697)
When you get both the worst pandemic and worst hack in a century right 1-2 year after killing the very teams whose job it is to prevent said catastrophes, at what point do you stop blaming things on bad luck?
Re:How Poverty Makes Workers Less Productive by zepto on Monday February 15, 2021 @12:44PM (#26145024)
Where has anyone blamed anything on bad luck? I think our institutions are terrible, and definitely a factor in things like the pandemic and the hack.

I just think it makes no sense to reduce that to blaming the republicans or even a specific act of the Trump administration, based on pure imagination of an alternative outcome.

If ‘American republicanism’ is to blame for how bad the pandemic is, how do you explain Europe’s performance?

Re:How Poverty Makes Workers Less Productive by ehsankia on Tuesday February 16, 2021 @12:50PM (#26156628)
> it makes no sense to reduce that to blaming the republicans

When they were the ones who cut off funding to the very agencies whose job it was to prevent, then it absolutely makes sense. If I cut off your house's alarm system, and the very next week there's a burglary, you would absolutely blame me for it.

> how do you explain Europe’s performance

Again, I'm not talking about the response to the pandemic, but specifically about prevention. And yes, China, Europe and other countries should've had their own agencies in charge of tracking and preventing worldwide outbreak, but this is whataboutism. What I care about is that the US cutoff it's alarm system and ended up getting attacks the next year.

Re:How Poverty Makes Workers Less Productive by loopz on Monday February 15, 2021 @01:21AM (#26139717)
This is just as true then:

People die in hospitals.

Demolishing them will make things better.

Re:How Poverty Makes Workers Less Productive by zepto on Monday February 15, 2021 @12:44PM (#26145020)
Do you claim no hospital should ever be demolished, regardless of whether it was built with toxic materials, or has been neglected to the point of being unsafe?