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Re:“Location-Based Pay” – Who are we to complain? by ehnto on Sunday February 14, 2021 @12:55PM (#26134439)
They aren't isolated of course, SV is expensive because SV has money. Rentals go up because people keep paying stupid high rents, property goes up because people CAN afford it. Rent seekers keep pushing their luck and it keeps working.

I have become interested with the real value of software, and how getting rid of stupid high wages could be a great thing for the industry.

As an analogy, if a country has reasonably priced infrastructure workers (laymen and engineers) it can afford to build the infrastructure it's community needs. If you blow your annual budget building 6 miles of train line, you'll never have high speed rail. Real world example: Australia, one of the richest countries in the world, notoriously high infrastructure costs. While the rest of the world is speeding away with high speed rail, we could barely afford a two stop tram extension in the CBD.

Now have a think about all the software that doesn't get written because it's prohibitively expensive to make it, lots of boutique applications for specific needs, or local communities that need software to help with problems in their community. There are probably a lot of companies that could really do with an inhouse software team, but would never entertain the idea on account of the cost.

Re:“Location-Based Pay” – Who are we to complain? by dilyevsky on Sunday February 14, 2021 @03:08PM (#26135765)
Many contractor shops have terrible wages yet they charge eye watering prices. You can’t improve the costs here by pushing the worker wages down. All that money is just going to accumulate in jeff bezos bank account
Re:“Location-Based Pay” – Who are we to complain? by XorNot on Sunday February 14, 2021 @04:35PM (#26136486)
High Speed Rail is not being built because no one is sure it'll be used, whereas expanding public rail in the cities is always going to be expensive because you're renovating around a dense urban area. It's also non-optional - Sydney's traffic problems are bad, and getting worse. We either do something now or watch as the CBD eventually dies.
Re:“Location-Based Pay” – Who are we to complain? by yourapostasy on Sunday February 14, 2021 @06:42PM (#26137396)
Public HSR even going out into the sticks gets rapidly surrounded by commercial and residential real estate rent-seekers, and prices quickly (within 10-20 years) arrive close enough to CBD parity to again price out young families. You would need something like a community land trust or transit authority trust that locks up the land and locks in the basis pricing along the rail line about 1-2 km out on either side of the rail, and around a 3-6 km radius around the terminals, with a taxing jurisdiction about double those radii, that gives the families a shot at entry without the same housing pricing dynamics we see now. That trust would have to plan for incremental, systemic densification on a self-funding model based upon the "rent" charged through taxes. Otherwise, the funding for densification evaporates into land developer hands through the years, because it is non-linearly more expensive to densify than spread out, but the energy utilization and efficiency is much lower and higher respectively per capita with densification than spread out. Land developers are valuable, but it is unfair to expect them to behave contrary to their incentives.
Re:“Location-Based Pay” – Who are we to complain? by jacksonkmarley on Sunday February 14, 2021 @02:52PM (#26135614)
Is Australia and HSR really a good example of this? I would think the only viable route would be Sydney-Melbourne, and that seems far enough apart to be directly competing with air travel, likely a major reason for it to be marginal profit-wise.

Also Australian workers are no doubt well paid compared with some, but compared with the U.S. or Western Europe? Taking into account cost of living etc.? Certainly engineers in Australia in general don't seem to be getting SV wages.

Re:“Location-Based Pay” – Who are we to complain? by phinnaeus on Sunday February 14, 2021 @03:11PM (#26135792)
I can confirm, I moved from Seattle to Sydney. It's not even close.
Re:“Location-Based Pay” – Who are we to complain? by jacksonkmarley on Sunday February 14, 2021 @03:23PM (#26135896)
Single data point on new grad s/w engineer salary at small/medium business in Melbourne, circa 2015 ~40k in USD.
Re:“Location-Based Pay” – Who are we to complain? by ACow_Adonis on Sunday February 14, 2021 @03:29PM (#26135951)
we have generally higher wages and prices on the low end (that is, the rest of the population and high minimum wages), and comparatively lower wages compared to the US coasts for tech/stem. That high minimal wage and remoteness affects the price of a lot of things.

That being said, the original poster is a little bit off, as both Sydney and Melbourne have inner-city transport options and infrastructure that outcompete practically all American cities in that regard, and punches pretty damn well on a worldwide basis (behind only a few cities that are notable specifically because they are world leaders).

Re:“Location-Based Pay” – Who are we to complain? by cycomanic on Sunday February 14, 2021 @04:44PM (#26136554)
You're right that Melbourne and Sydney infrastructure outcompete pretty much all US cities, but the punching above their weight on a worldwide basis is Australian mythology. I've lived on both and several cities in Europe and Melbourne and Sydney are behind pretty much every big city in Europe and Asia. Public transport for example is absolutely atrocious, the state of the roads are extremely poor...
Re:“Location-Based Pay” – Who are we to complain? by sgtnoodle on Sunday February 14, 2021 @05:39PM (#26136967)
That reminds me of a story. In 2009 I flew into Sydney with a team of 20 people and 40 duffle bags, and the regional airline to Melbourne refused to check half the luggage despite us having a pre-arranged letter from them stating otherwise. So, a team member and I rented a car, bought a SIM card and several Red Bulls, and drove to Melbourne to join the rest of the team the next morning. With the international flight, that was a very long day!