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Re:“I saw that you spun up an Ubuntu image in Azure” by ojnabieoot on Friday February 12, 2021 @10:52AM (#26114961)
> Ubuntu is a free product. Canonical should not be able to find out if I (specifically me or my organization) allocates or runs 1 or 10000 instances of Ubuntu

I agree with the message behind this and obviously Canonical and Microsoft are both being extremely gross.

But Ubuntu as a binary image (or source code) is a very different product than a VM with Ubuntu pre-installed and pre-configured, which is what you paid for (and is why you got ensnared by their horrible anti-user license).

Re:“I saw that you spun up an Ubuntu image in Azure” by inetknght on Friday February 12, 2021 @10:57AM (#26115022)
> But Ubuntu as a binary image (or source code) is a very different product than a VM with Ubuntu pre-installed.

How? Why? If it's different in any meaningful way from just clicking "next" on the installer then it's no longer Ubuntu, and certainly not Canonical Ubuntu, that's pre-installed. It's become, at best, Microsoft-Ubuntu-Because-Microsoft-Added-Telemetry-For-Azure. Or it's Canoncical-Ubuntu-Configured-By-Microsoft-With-Azure-CLI-Preinstalled.

It's not "Ubuntu" any more.

Re:“I saw that you spun up an Ubuntu image in Azure” by hannasanarion on Friday February 12, 2021 @11:07AM (#26115120)
You don't get to decide what is and isn't "Ubuntu", Canonical does. Did you likewise declare that Ubuntu isn't Ubuntu anymore when Canonical dropped Unity? or when they added snap? Or when they added or later removed the Amazon search plugin?

When I'm paying for an official Azure version of Ubuntu on Azure, I darn well expect there will be a closer support relationship than the free desktop version.

Re:“I saw that you spun up an Ubuntu image in Azure” by saghm on Friday February 12, 2021 @05:15PM (#26119167)
> When I'm paying for an official Azure version of Ubuntu on Azure, I darn well expect there will be a closer support relationship than the free desktop version.

Okay, but maybe other people don't want that if it entails their information being shared with a company they haven't initiated a business relationship with?

Re:“I saw that you spun up an Ubuntu image in Azure” by hannasanarion on Sunday February 14, 2021 @03:36PM (#26136036)
> Using their software on professionally hosted servers

> haven't initiated a business relationship

????

Re:“I saw that you spun up an Ubuntu image in Azure” by saghm on Monday February 15, 2021 @11:55AM (#26144462)
The servers are not hosted by Canonical
Re:“I saw that you spun up an Ubuntu image in Azure” by hannasanarion on Tuesday February 16, 2021 @12:40PM (#26156502)
But the servers are running Canonical software. Just because it's GPL'd doesn't mean that Canonical doesn't own it or that you have no relationship with them by using it. You are paying them a license fee to get the azure image, after all.

To say that you have no business relationship with Canonical while paying Canonical to use Canonical software with official Canonical technical support is absurd to the highest degree.

Re:“I saw that you spun up an Ubuntu image in Azure” by inetknght on Friday February 12, 2021 @11:23AM (#26115293)
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Re:“I saw that you spun up an Ubuntu image in Azure” by ojnabieoot on Friday February 12, 2021 @12:16PM (#26115954)
Just FYI, this is bad manners. I deleted the comment because I didn't want to continue the conversation and I especially didn't want to engage with you - specifically, your comments here and elsewhere indicate that you are frequently toxic and hostile.

You deciding to resurrect the comment because you happened to see it before I deleted it is really not OK. It's the exact kind of toxic hostile, creepy interaction I was trying to avoid from you by deleting the comment!

Re:“I saw that you spun up an Ubuntu image in Azure” by inetknght on Friday February 12, 2021 @12:38PM (#26116230)
> your comments here and elsewhere indicate that you are frequently toxic and hostile

I thought your comment was interesting and merited a reply for others to see and discuss. But I see you disagree so I've removed the content of my reply.

Feel free to flag any comments you find particularly toxic or hostile. You can do that by clicking on the timestamp of the comment and clicking the `flag` link.

Or even better, let me know (like you have done so here). I can't improve myself if I don't know there's a problem.

Re:“I saw that you spun up an Ubuntu image in Azure” by vntok on Friday February 12, 2021 @03:20PM (#26118098)
There's no problem with your comment so please do not "improve" yourself based on the parent; they should, not you.
Re:“I saw that you spun up an Ubuntu image in Azure” by nitrogen on Friday February 12, 2021 @01:32PM (#26116835)
Erasing history and demanding others follow your lead is bad manners.

Posting something and deleting it after it has been seen is basically gaslighting. Imagine the kinds of harassment people could get away with if they said rude things to coworkers on chat, then edited the messages to appear benign after the coworker responded to their hostility.

That is why people quote the text of comments to which they want to reply.

Re:“I saw that you spun up an Ubuntu image in Azure” by michaelmrose on Friday February 12, 2021 @02:07PM (#26117288)
To be clear are we to suppose one has a right to say something and then insist others never bring up anything because one has at that point deleted?

Furthermore is strenuous disagreement now toxic and hostile?

Wouldn't it be more trivial to say I do not wish to engage and leave it at that? Ironically calling someone toxic hostile and creepy is... pretty toxic.

Re:“I saw that you spun up an Ubuntu image in Azure” by inetknght on Friday February 12, 2021 @04:44PM (#26118908)
> are we to suppose one has a right to say something and then insist others never bring up anything because one has at that point deleted?

I think someone has the right to change their mind about something they've said. That's why I edited my comment to remove it.

> Furthermore is strenuous disagreement now toxic and hostile?

I don't think so. But I know that I sometimes get passionate about my opinions. I welcome someone's input to keep me friendly.

> Wouldn't it be more trivial to say I do not wish to engage and leave it at that? Ironically calling someone toxic hostile and creepy is... pretty toxic.

I would like to think better than that. I think it was good of @ojnabieoot to let me know that they thought I'd wronged them.

Some people can feel very anxious or awkward to conversation for very good reasons. They can state opinions and then choose to retract their opinions for any reason -- even if the opinion is held but they choose to remove themselves from the conversation. I think that's a good thing to discuss but this isn't the venue to.

Re:“I saw that you spun up an Ubuntu image in Azure” by falcolas on Friday February 12, 2021 @11:22AM (#26115283)
If you go to Ubuntu's web site, they will offer several distinct ISOs, each optimized for different usecases; and yet I'm not charged all of my personal information there either.

Ditto the Ubuntu images on Docker Hub.

Re:“I saw that you spun up an Ubuntu image in Azure” by taftster on Friday February 12, 2021 @11:27AM (#26115343)
Right. If I can run Ubuntu on Docker without Canonical knowing, I should be able to run Ubuntu on Azure without Canonical knowing.

This is a big misstep for Microsoft, from my point of view. I think it's less a reflection on Canonical, because once they have the information, it's ultimately going to be used. Microsoft just should not have agreed to the arrangement at all.

Re:“I saw that you spun up an Ubuntu image in Azure” by throwawayboise on Friday February 12, 2021 @11:39AM (#26115466)
Both Microsoft and Canonical are for-profit enterprises.

To quote the old native american (?) fable: You knew what I was when you picked me up.

Re:“I saw that you spun up an Ubuntu image in Azure” by bayindirh on Friday February 12, 2021 @12:16PM (#26115953)
> Both Microsoft and Canonical are for-profit enterprises.

I don't think that most of the people have a problem with that. The problem is being sucked-in to something without ever agreeing into.

In the era of privacy sensitivity (which I think is healthy), being watched in a place and prodded from a different channel is disturbing.

I don't mind people trying to reach me with the hope of sales based on information I've provided to them, but this is too far.

Also it removes two veils from both companies at once:

    1. It seems Microsoft still has sneaky tactics, but they're more invisible.
    2. Canonical is somewhat more aggressive and greedy than it seems, and Ubuntu desktop is just a freemium product, or another capturing device for further vendor lock-in.