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Re:TurboTax Tricked You into Paying to File Your Taxes (2019) by mywittyname on Thursday February 11, 2021 @11:51AM (#26103842)
Credit Karma is free. Works great, and has no discernable dark patterns. They even have import features from major payroll companies like ADP.

I had to quit turbotax because one year I was a 1099 worker and every year since, it pushes me to go with their "small business edition." Each year it got harder to avoid "upgrading."

Seriously, just do it. Quitting TT is so much easier than quitting anything else.

Re:TurboTax Tricked You into Paying to File Your Taxes (2019) by timr on Thursday February 11, 2021 @12:40PM (#26104607)
Having used Credit Karma in the past, you should know that it can be...dangerously confusing...for anything other than the happy path.

Things like backdoor Roth contributions (which aren't that exotic, tbh) were very confusing in credit karma, to the point where I actually did my taxes with another service just to verify that the calculations were correct, then submitted with CK. I found several mistakes in the CK results that were due to bad/confusing UI.

You likely won't hit this problem if you're just doing a 1040EZ or 1040 with standard deduction, no stock sales, etc. But if you have any complications...sometimes there's a reason to pay for software.

Re:TurboTax Tricked You into Paying to File Your Taxes (2019) by pbuzbee on Thursday February 11, 2021 @01:21PM (#26105182)
I do this too: I prep my taxes in both TurboTax and in CK, make sure they agree, then submit in CK for free.
Re:TurboTax Tricked You into Paying to File Your Taxes (2019) by timr on Thursday February 11, 2021 @02:30PM (#26105997)
Yeah, I'm normally pretty cheap with this stuff, but this is painful enough that I just decided to pay for some software this year. At some point, "cheaper than an accountant" becomes the guiding principle...

(definitely not defending Intuit here, though. Tricking people into paying is not cool.)

Re:TurboTax Tricked You into Paying to File Your Taxes (2019) by memco on Thursday February 11, 2021 @12:56PM (#26104847)
I got an email from Credit Karma advertising for TurboTax. This plus the glitch that exposed into [1] leaves me very little confidence in CK. [1]: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=20699410
Re:TurboTax Tricked You into Paying to File Your Taxes (2019) by jrochkind1 on Thursday February 11, 2021 @02:02PM (#26105692)
I thought I remembered TurboTax purchased CreditKarma, but googled,and now I'm confused...

> Intuit Inc., owner of the popular TurboTax DIY tax preparation service, has moved forward with its $8.1 billion acquisition of Credit Karma, Inc., after satisfying the government’s requirement that Credit Karma divest its tax preparation business.

https://www.natlawreview.com/article/anticompetitive-concern...

Divest their tax prep business? I just did my taxes on creditkarma, and it was the same website that was trying to market me credit cards that i prepared the taxes on.

AHA, that article has a date "January 3, 2021", so I guess still in progress?

But ok, divest their tax prep business... the WAY CK was providing free tax prep was by funding it with the rest of their portfolio, the credit card marketing and such. The tax prep got people into their system (and possibly got their data into their system, I'm not sure how much was opt-in or opt-out).

Divest their tax prep business? Into it's own business? It won't possibly be able to provide the service for free anymore right? They will probably quickly go out of business.

I don't know how the heck anti-trust regulators think this did anything positive. Intuit one way or another succesfully eliminated the competition from free creditkarma tax prep. Gah.

Re:TurboTax Tricked You into Paying to File Your Taxes (2019) by minitoar on Thursday February 11, 2021 @11:56AM (#26103922)
Didn’t intuit acquire credit karma? Will this be the last year of a separate ck tax product?
Re:TurboTax Tricked You into Paying to File Your Taxes (2019) by jlongr on Thursday February 11, 2021 @11:59AM (#26103987)
Square agreed to acquire Credit Karma Tax.
Re:TurboTax Tricked You into Paying to File Your Taxes (2019) by technofiend on Thursday February 11, 2021 @01:08PM (#26105026)
Credit Karma got a lot more snoopy about personal details after Intuit acquired them. They won't get anything else from me until after that merger goes through, because I see no reason to give Intuit any more data than they already have. I moved to H & R Block's Tax Cut more than a decade ago thanks to Intuit doing something horrible I no longer remember.
Re:TurboTax Tricked You into Paying to File Your Taxes (2019) by vulcan01 on Thursday February 11, 2021 @12:06PM (#26104100)
How does Credit Karma make money? I'd feel more comfortable using them if I understood this.
Re:TurboTax Tricked You into Paying to File Your Taxes (2019) by ceejayoz on Thursday February 11, 2021 @01:01PM (#26104908)
If you apply for a loan or credit card via their app, they get a couple hundred bucks. Same way "The Points Guy" makes money.
Re:TurboTax Tricked You into Paying to File Your Taxes (2019) by theandrewbailey on Thursday February 11, 2021 @12:51PM (#26104771)
Ads for credit cards, mortgages, and loans.
Re:TurboTax Tricked You into Paying to File Your Taxes (2019) by kemitche on Thursday February 11, 2021 @11:54AM (#26103900)
> Credit Karma is free.

That just makes me wonder what Credit Karma is getting out of the deal.

Re:TurboTax Tricked You into Paying to File Your Taxes (2019) by burkaman on Thursday February 11, 2021 @01:02PM (#26104925)
It's extremely up-front, the home page is offers for credit cards and loans and such. It's also explained here: https://www.creditkarma.com/faq/howitworks

In several years of using it, they've never emailed me advertising anything, and while they're obviously sharing my info with credit card companies and banks, I haven't gotten any marketing from them either. If you don't care about the recommendations, as I don't, you can use it for your taxes and never think about it the rest of the year.

Re:TurboTax Tricked You into Paying to File Your Taxes (2019) by isoskeles on Thursday February 11, 2021 @12:09PM (#26104163)
They use your data (income, financial situation (do you have a mortgage, etc.)) to determine what financial products (which credit cards, personal loans, mortgages, etc.) to offer you.

This would all be in addition to what they knew about your credit score or anything else you input on the other parts of their platform.

But as others pointed out, that part of CK got split off when Intuit bought them.

Re:TurboTax Tricked You into Paying to File Your Taxes (2019) by vmception on Thursday February 11, 2021 @11:58AM (#26103950)
“wonder”

The DOJ forced them to sell that whole unit if they wanted to be acquired because of the super obvious data mining consolidation

Re:TurboTax Tricked You into Paying to File Your Taxes (2019) by Mountain_Skies on Thursday February 11, 2021 @08:31PM (#26109831)
When I did my taxes through them, at the start they offered to transfer my data into Cash App. The wording was a bit shady as it wasn't clear what Cash App is or if it was part of the tax prep process or not. I already knew what Cash App is so I declined but I could see some people getting confused. At the end it also offered to load my refund into a Cash App account "in days instead of weeks", making it essentially a refund anticipation loan. The wording on that one was much more clear and I declined.
Re:TurboTax Tricked You into Paying to File Your Taxes (2019) by minitoar on Thursday February 11, 2021 @11:56AM (#26103926)
They tell you. Advertising dollars for financial products.
Re:TurboTax Tricked You into Paying to File Your Taxes (2019) by Bedon292 on Thursday February 11, 2021 @03:19PM (#26106585)
Isn't Credit Carma owned by Intuit who also owns Turbotax? This is very odd to me that they do this, where one side is free and the other is not?
Re:TurboTax Tricked You into Paying to File Your Taxes (2019) by teclordphrack2 on Thursday February 11, 2021 @03:34PM (#26106735)
It the appearance of capitalism.